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@LarryCoon: For those who have been asking me about the Royce White situation, @McCannSportsLaw covers it a lot better than I can: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=2095190


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Do You Believe He Can Fly? Royce White and Reasonable Accommodations Under the Americans with Disabilities Act for NBA Players with General Anxiety Disorder and Fear of Flying


Michael McCann
Vermont Law School

December 12, 2012

Pepperdine Law Review, Forthcoming
Vermont Law School Research Paper No. 19-12

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This Article examines the potential legal fallout of an employment dispute between Royce White, an NBA player with general anxiety disorder and a severe fear of flying, and his team, the Houston Rockets. This dispute is without precedent in sports law and, because of the unique aspects of an NBA playing career, lacks clear analogy to other employment circumstances. This dispute also illuminates broader legal and policy issues in the relationship between employment and mental illness.

This Article argues that White would likely fail in a lawsuit against the Rockets and the NBA under the Americans with Disabilities Act. Case law disfavors recognition of his conditions as workplace disabilities, and even if a court recognizes them as such, there appears to be no reasonable accommodation that doesn't necessitate him flying. The Rockets, moreover, have voluntarily offered substantial workplace accommodations to White.

The Article also contends that if White cannot adequately resolve his health issues, it would be advisable for him - and the Rockets, NBA and Players' Association -- to find creative resolutions. Such an approach would be far preferable to litigation. One such approach could be loaning White's employment to another pro basketball league where all or almost all games are played within driving distance. In that circumstance, he could develop his game against talented pro basketball players and, hopefully, gradually overcome his health issues. The Israel Super Basketball League (Ligat Winner Sal) is one such league. During time in another league, White's NBA employment rights would remain with the Rockets.

Alternatively, White's contract could be terminated so that he can play in this driving-friendly type of league. If his contract is terminated, this Article recommends compensation to the Rockets in the form of a first round pick in the 2013 NBA draft -- either #16 to replace his selection from the 2012 draft or a supplemental pick at #31. This Article maintains that the NBA commissioner has legal authority to add a draft pick as compensation....


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Here are some of the major points and arguments mentioned...(sorry about the reference numbers that appear randomly in the text, if I get time I'll edit them out)

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Michael A. McCann, Do You Believe He Can Fly? 41 PEPPERDINE LAW REVIEW __ (Draft as of 12.12.2012; forthcoming, 2013)

DO YOU BELIEVE HE CAN FLY?

ROYCE WHITE AND REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS UNDER THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT FOR NBA PLAYERS WITH GENERAL ANXIETY DISORDER & FEAR OF FLYING
Michael A. McCann1
“Every mental illness has triggers, those triggers are like allergies. If you[’re] allergic to sand, you probably don't play a lot of volleyball.” Royce White, September 24, 20122

In June 2012, it was widely expected that Iowa State forward Royce White would be drafted in the first round of the 2012 NBA draft.3 There was much to like about the 21-year-old red-shirt sophomore. White was the only Division I basketball player in 2011-12 to have led his team in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocked shots.4 Scouts were fascinated by White's unique blend of point guard and power forward skills.5 Based purely on talent, he probably would have been a top 10—possibly even top five—pick in the 60-selection annual draft....


....Fortunately for White, his fall ended when the Houston Rockets selected him with the 16th pick. Shortly thereafter, the team signed him to a contract worth a guaranteed $3.5 million over the next two years.14 While White will thus receive a sizable amount of money, it is significantly less than what he would have received had his draft status not been clouded by “other issues.” Moreover, as explained below, those same issues have already impaired his NBA career. So what are these issues?

First, there are questions about White's character and law-abidingness. These stem primarily from a shoplifting incident in 2009 which led him to plead guilty to theft and disorderedly conduct.15 To White's credit, he has avoided trouble in recent years and seems to have matured.16 It does not appear White's draft position was impacted much, if at all, by his past run-ins with the law.

The second concern appears more salient and is also more interesting from a legal perspective. White suffers from generalized anxiety disorder (“GAD”), which refers to persistent, excessive and unrealistic worries about everyday occurrences. These worries can become devastating and disabling.17 Approximately 15 percent of Americans suffer from GAD and related anxiety disorders.18

Complications from anxiety disorders emerge in many forms, including through demonstrably physical symptoms such as episodic sleeplessness and panic attacks, and through situational-specific phobias, including fear of heights, escalators, or dental procedures.19 These situational occurrences are often referred to as “triggers.”20

Triggers are circumstances which stimulate unusual anxiety and related conditions.21 Relatively common triggers include profuse sweating, chest pains and shortness of breath.22 Triggers vary by individuals, at least one of whom can excel at playing basketball in front of thousands of people—including screaming fans and caustic hecklers—but who suffers panic attacks while at airports and on airplanes.

White encounters several complications of anxiety disorder, with a severe fear of flying being the most problematic for an NBA career.24 Outside of telling media that he’s taking a form of Prozac and seeing doctors, White’s treatments have not been made public....


White is also not alone in pursuing a career as a professional athlete while afflicted with an anxiety disorder. Some have excelled in spite of their condition. Consider Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Zack Greinke, who is one of the best pitchers in baseball. He suffers from social anxiety disorder.34 Greinke’s disorder is similar to GAD, but is brought on by extreme worries about being scrutinized rather than by—as with GAD—generalized worries or concerns about situations unrelated to evaluation (e.g., flying on planes, ascending to heights).

Greinke, 29, has managed his social anxiety disorder to the point where he has earned $40 million in his big league career and is about to earn much more: in December 2012, he signed a guaranteed 6- year, $147 million contract with the Dodgers.

Despite White's anxiety over flying, he usually showed a willingness to fly for road games while in college. In the 2011-12 season, he flew to Italy as part of a team tour and on all but three of Iowa State's road trips. When he did not fly, his grandfather drove him. White did not miss a game because of his fear of flying.

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II. ROYCE WHITE’S NBA CAREER: DELAYED, WITH NO TAKEOFF IN SIGHT
Initially, White seemed capable of traveling by plane to advance his NBA career. A couple of weeks after the 2012 NBA Draft, White accompanied his new teammates by flight to Las Vegas to play for the Rockets’ summer league team.43 The summer league is mainly for rookie players to become acclimated to the NBA style of play and for free agent players to impress their way onto an NBA roster; established NBA players usually do not participate. While the quality of play and talent in summer leagues is demonstrably less than found in a regular season or even preseason NBA game, it is still a helpful barometer for a player transitioning from the college game to the pros.

For White, the summer league was also an opportunity to prove the teams which passed on him wrong. At the time, he insisted teams had undervalued him in part because they misunderstood general anxiety disorder. He thought they regarded it, and its complications, as problems of attitude – and, by implication, borne through personal choice rather than compelled by brain chemistry.45 Many who suffer from mental illness have argued the same core point about social biases about mental illness and the presumed “choice” they make to suffer.

White’s performance on and off the court in the summer league made the Rockets look smart. On the court, White earned very positive reviews for his play and particular praise for his rebounding skills and so-called “mean streak.”47 Off the court, White encountered no troubles and seemed accessible and friendly. A month later, he flew to New York City to attend the NBA’s rookie orientation program.

These promising early returns suggested that White’s fear of flying and anxiety issues would not derail his NBA career.

Circumstances changed dramatically, however, at the start of the Rockets’ training camp in October. White informed team officials that he needed assurances that he could travel by bus—at his own expense—for large portions of the team’s schedule.49 So adamant about this request, White refused to show up for work until the Rockets agreed to his demand. White made this ultimatum after consultation with his physician, who, according to White, recommended that he avoid triggers of his anxiety disorder. One of White’s major triggers is flying on planes.

It is unclear why White was able to fly by plane for the summer league and rookie orientation program but could not do the same for most regular season games.

After a week during which White became the first rookie in the NBA’s 66-year history to hold out of training camp over travel conditions, the Rockets agreed that he could travel by bus for most games.51 The team even offered to put the assurance in writing.52 As explained below, however, the uniform player contract prohibits most types of amendments absent approval by the league and players’ association.Although not in writing, the “good faith agreement” between himself and the team satisfied White, who returned to training camp.


Losing a week of camp would hurt any rookie’s development, and White was no exception. Unable to catch up, White played sparingly for the Rockets in its four preseason games and he struggled in his limited time.55 To be fair, White was far from alone among rookies in failing to instantly succeed against older, stronger and more polished NBA players. A number of players drafted before him were also predictably outmatched.56 Still, White failed to show the Rockets that he was ready to contribute at the start of the 2012-13 NBA season, and thus should not have had a realistic expectation of playing time.

As of this writing, White has yet to appear in a regular season NBA game. The Rockets did not play him in its first four games and then informed him and two other rookies (Scott Machado, who also had not played, and Donatas Motiejunas, who had played five minutes in one game) that they would soon be assigned to the Rockets’ minor league team, the Rio Grande Valley (Texas) Vipers of the NBA’s Developmental League.57

An assignment in the “D League” would provide these rookies with playing time that they would not receive on the Rockets, one of the NBA’s more talented teams. Importantly, they would still be paid their NBA salaries while on the Vipers. While undoubtedly disappointing news, the three rookies could commiserate with several other teams’ rookies, including the Boston Celtics’ Fab Melo, who like White, was a 2012 first round pick. They received the same news from their teams.58

Strictly in terms of travel, the assignment to the Vipers would have benefited White. The Vipers’ schedule calls for most of its games to be played regionally and mostly within driving distance (the Vipers’ first 10 games are being played in Hidalgo Texas; Tulsa, Oklahoma; Reno, Nevada, and Bakersfield, California).

White did not take the news well. In response, he skipped practice and refused to report to any team activities, including practice. To date, White remains away from the Vipers and Rockets, which has suspended him without pay for refusal to report.

Unlike Machado and Motiejunas, White is not listed on the Vipers’ roster. He is in an NBA netherworld right now.

Although the Rockets contend White has not earned playing time and would be best served developing his game with the Vipers, White contends the team is punishing him for his mental health issues. He also asserts the team has strategically shared misinformation with the media about his condition.62 For instance, on November 14, 2012 he tweeted, “I'm not saying anything inappropriate or anything thats wasn't said or OMITTED by the organization, they have their media, this is mine.”

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a. Uniform Player Contract, Collective Bargaining Agreement And NBA Scheduling:

A primary approach to uncovering the essential functions of NBA employment is through the Uniform Player Contract (“contract”), which, per the CBA, every player must sign in order to be eligible for employment.92 With few exceptions (salary, off-season conduct), the 17-page contract cannot be modified.

The contract stipulates that the team employs the player as a “skilled basketball player”;94 the player represents he has “extraordinary and unique skill and ability as a basketball player”;95 the player agrees to render services both for games scheduled96 and for team or league promotional and civic activities;97 the player agrees to give his “best services”;98 unless the result of playing basketball, the player can be suspended for failing to keep himself in “good physical condition”;99 and the player must provide the team “prompt notice” of any health condition that will affect his ability to render services.100 The team can terminate a player’s contract if he fails to keep himself in “first class physical condition” and fails to show “competitive ability” to play NBA basketball.101 Other than reference to the team paying for a player’s travel expenses, the contract does not directly address travel.

The contract makes clear that a player assents to competitively and skillfully playing scheduled games. In addition to preseason and potential postseason games, 82 regular season games are scheduled over a seven-month period and are played in 22 states and one Canadian province, with the farthest distance between venues—Portland, Oregon and Miami, Florida— 2,700 miles.103 Therefore, an essential function of NBA player employment is clearly playing with a high level of talent and effort in games that are located in venues far apart.
The Paper quotes the case of Tarpley & Mobley to highlight the Rockets position...

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In Mobley’s view, the Knicks were motivated not by Mobley’s ailment—which was known by NBA teams about for nearly a decade and which had never caused Mobley problems—but by the salary cap relief that would be obtained if he retired for medical reasons.132 Nonetheless, U.S. District Judge Deborah Batts dismissed Mobley’s claim in June 2012. She reasoned that Mobley’s condition rendered it reasonable for the Knicks to conclude he not perform the essential functions of playing in the NBA and that his proposed heart defibrillator likely posed undue burden to the Knicks.

Tarpley and Mobley are instructive for White should he seek protection from the ADA. These cases confirm the language of the uniform player contract that playing with a high level of talent and skill are paramount functions of NBA employment.

Tarpley, however, also suggests that role modeling may be an additional essential function of an NBA player’s employment. Given White’s Twitter following, it seems plausible for him to argue his playing in the NBA would inspire other suffers of anxiety disorder, though the Rockets could respond by noting White has achieved his Twitter following without playing in the NBA.

For its part, Mobley suggests that a serious health concern associated with playing in the NBA can empower a team to end its employment with the player.
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The question of whether “getting to work” constitutes an essential function of employment has arisen in ADA litigation, in part because hundreds of millions of Americans have travelled to work since the ADA’s passage in 1990.134 The precedent is clear. Although punctuality in arriving at work is considered an essential function of one’s job, the means of getting to work are normally viewed as a private matter and not an employer’s responsibility.

When White has to fly to attend “work”—i.e., Rockets games played in other parts of the country or Canada—he does with his teammates, coaches and team officials. Like other NBA franchises, the Rockets travel as a team when flying. Their air travel includes meetings and discussions, among other employment activities. The Rockets’ air travel, in other words, is arguably an extension of the workplace, rather than a means of transportation to the workplace.

NBA policy appears to corroborate the view of team travel as an extension of the workplace. The NBA requires that its players adhere to a “business casual” dress policy whenever engaged in team or league business.144 The dress code extends to team travel, meaning beyond the arenas where they play and practice and into the airports and planes used for transportation.

Whether a court would consider team travel an extension of the workplace is another matter. The Rockets would likely argue such an interpretation is not consistent with two decades of case law. The team would probably also emphasize that White is paid to perform in NBA games; his ability to get to games is merely a means to executing his employment.
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Expecting the NBA to modify the schedule to accommodate one of the league’s 450 players also seems unreasonable. The complexity of scheduling would make such a request extremely difficult. Even assuming such a request is technically feasible, honoring it might undermine fairness and player protections.

For instance, if the Rockets are able to play more home games than other teams, it would give them a significant advantage. The same would be true if the Rockets received an easier travel schedule. Plus, what would happen if the Rockets traded White to another team? Would the new team’s schedule be changed and the Rockets schedule reverted back to normal?
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Skipping Road Trips Would Not Be A Reasonable Accommodation

Unless injured, suspended or assigned to the D-League, White is contractually obligated to play all 82 regular season games, along with four to six pre-season games and up to 28 postseason games. No NBA player signs a standard contract to play in "some games", meaning White is expected to play in all road games, including those in far-away Portland, Oregon and Boston, Massachusetts. Plus, consider how a part-time arrangement would frustrate White's coach, Kevin McHale: if White's only an occasional player—as in, he’s only “occasionally” at work—McHale might struggle to find a consistent role for White. His teammates, particularly those whose playing time would vary by White’s availability, would also be impacted by his absence and presence.

White, put differently, would become a player with diminished utility. In that regard, a part-time player would probably constitute an undue hardship for the Rockets.
On the other hand, professional leagues have carved out exceptions for players to miss road games. This has been true of NBA players recovering from injury. Gilbert Arenas, returning from a knee injury in 2009, was allowed a flexible schedule whereby he would play in all home games but only some road games.

White, however, insists that he should not be classified as “injured.” On November 10, 2012 he tweeted, “For the record, I'm not injured... Not even a little bit. #Truth”.
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Best Accommodation: If Disorder Cannot Be Overcome, Sever NBA Contract, Compensate Rockets And Allow White To Play In Another Country

White recently tweeted, “if you’re allergic to sand, you probably don’t play a lot of volleyball.”155 A corollary of such logic may be, “if you’re unable to fly, you probably don’t play a lot of NBA basketball.” Unless White is able to effectively treat his fear of flying, it will be difficult for him to play in the NBA. The league, in the 21st century, is simply not designed for players who cannot fly.

The NBA map is also not going to shrink anytime soon. Just the opposite, in fact: the city of Seattle, which previously hosted the Sonics franchise, is rumored to be next in line for an NBA team.156 As the above legal analysis shows, moreover, White is unlikely to succeed in an ADA claim against the Rockets or NBA.

If the optimal outcome of White returning to the NBA is not possible, the next best one would be for him to play in another league.
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The Rockets, NBA and NBPA would also have to agree to White being relieved of his employment obligations to play for the Rockets. One possible arrangement could be for White to play “on loan” to a driving-friendly league (like Ligat), where he could develop his game against other pro players. Perhaps White would eventually overcome his fear of flying while over there, too. The Rockets could preserve its NBA rights in White during this time, and hope that White can eventually return to the NBA.

Alternatively, White could sever contractual ties with the Rockets and the NBA and pursue a career elsewhere. This could only occur with all parties in agreement. Per rule of the International Basketball Federation (FIBA), of which the NBA and most pro leagues are members, White would be deemed ineligible to play elsewhere if still under contract with the Rockets.

The Rockets would likely expect compensation to relinquish the rights to a first-round draft pick, particularly one whom team general manager, Daryl Morey, said as recently as late November was a top 5 talent in the 2012 draft.

The team, moreover, can fine or suspendWhite until he reports for work, thus diminishing its financial incentive to release him. The team’s incentive to release White is similar to that for the NBA: White may sue the Rockets and the NBA. But as explored in this Article, such as a lawsuit is unlikely to prevail. Then again, and especially as Tarpley v. NBA reveals, the ADA can be applied in unexpected ways. Plus, even successful defense litigation can be costly and time-consuming. NBA and Rockets officials, for example, might have to testify in deposition; both may also be expected to comply with invasive discovery requests.

To the extent either the NBA or Rockets object to White leaving the league, the Rockets would have greater incentive to fight because White plays for them and not for other NBA teams. The league, in contrast, has less at stake in White’s continued play for the Rockets.

If a dispute between the Rockets and NBA emerge on whether to release White, the NBA might mollify the Rockets’ objection by offering compensation. Under the NBA’s Constitution, which governs the relationship between franchises and the league, NBA commissioner David Stern has considerable authority—particularly for matters outside the purview of the CBA.167 This broad ability of the commissioner is sometimes referred to as the commissioner’s “best interests of the league” power
...Basketball Reasons

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If Stern has the power to take draft picks away, it would seem plausible, if not probable, that he also has the power to add picks. If correct, then in exchange for the Rockets severing ties with White, Stern could compensate the Rockets with an additional first-round pick in the 2013 draft.

Perhaps the draft pick would be at the same number—#16—in which White was selected in 2012. To be sure, some teams, especially those whose draft slot would be subsequently lowered, would likely object to such an arrangement. After all, the Rockets knowingly took a chance in drafting White (though, in fairness to the Rockets, White was able to play in every college game). If the NBA establishes a precedent of compensating teams for failed first-round picks, other teams may expect “re-takes” at their draft slot, too.

White’s circumstances, however, are extremely unusual and are unlikely to arise again. These circumstances also call for a resolution that would minimize the chances of litigation. Along those lines, an employment separation of a player from a league that cannot accommodate his disability could be a “best case” scenario for all involved.

Lesser compensation to the Rockets, moreover, might mollify any objections. For instance, instead of awarding the Rockets the 16th pick in the 2013 NBA Draft, the NBA could assign them a supplemental first round pick—the 31st pick—in the 2013 draft. This pick would not lessen any other team’s first round pick, but would still provide the Rockets with an incentive to let White out of his contract.
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Instead of turning to the courts, White would probably be better off identifying new treatments for his anxiety disorder and fear of flying so that they no longer impair his NBA career. If that fails, he, the Rockets, NBA and NBPA should consider loaning his employment or terminating his employment contract, with potential compensation to the Rockets in the form of a draft pick.

It appears White would be better served playing in a professional basketball league where all of the games are in driving distance. This Article explores the Israel Super Basketball League as one such possibility, but there are others. If White could succeed as a player, he would not only achieve his dream of a pro basketball career. He might also become a legendary trailblazer for pro athletes and others afflicted with anxiety disorders and related phobias – call them #victorytroopers.

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In my opinion Royce White has painted himself into a corner and is in a no win situation. All of his requests and reasonable accommodations have been met by The Rockets, but as was clearly seen major trouble only arose when the D-League assignment came up.

Royce White should've been upfront in his concerns and demands before signing his contract or agreeing to terms. Instead he thought that he could sign the guaranteed contract and get paid while pursuing his agenda, and fighting for recognition of his #AnxietyTroopers, while sitting on his butt tweeting all day...that shows his lack of integrity, his character flaws and his entitlement attitude.

I hope one day he does get it together, in life & basketball, but for the time being it is what it is...a wasted 1st Round Draft Pick, wasted on someone who has shown that he could play if he wanted to, but chooses not too. (like a spoilt brat).

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Rockets only owe him a bus ticket home to wherever the hell he came from. Get him away from hard work and our rising young team.

Great post BTW, really brings the entire situation into the light. I was most excited about him playing here when we got him. Never thought it would turn into this.
 
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Rockets only owe him a bus ticket home to wherever the hell he came from. Get him away from hard work and our rising young team.

Great post BTW, really brings the entire situation into the light. I was most excited about him playing here when we got him. Never thought it would turn into this.
pretty sure he already got his first check........so they dont even owe him a damn bus ticket.
 
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Such an unhealthy obsession over White... regardless of his problems, some people on this forum are really showing some mental issues as well.
 
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At first I groaned at another White thread, but I found this quite useful! Thank you for summarizing everything!

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Such an unhealthy obsession over White... regardless of his problems, some people on this forum are really showing some mental issues as well.

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Don't know why you need to start a thread just to draw attention to photoshop pics you created. Anyone who cares about yelling at Royce White already read the other thread.

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how in the hell did he expect realistically to drive to most of the games? Dude just cashed in and now he's out.
 
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Ricksmith is offline Old 01-02-2013, 04:04 PM   #13
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Don't know why you need to start a thread just to draw attention to photoshop pics you created. Anyone who cares about yelling at Royce White already read the other thread.
Did you just seriously ask why he created another Royce thread, when you did the exact same thing?

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Don't know why you need to start a thread just to draw attention to photoshop pics you created. Anyone who cares about yelling at Royce White already read the other thread.
I started thread to highlight the Rockets position in regards to the Royce White situation, but you're right...

I do love that pic of Royce White playing with the bus while making aeroplane arms...it still cracks me up.

Especially when the advertisement goes all OCD and says 'Round and Round and Round and Round'


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Did you just seriously ask why someone created another Royce thread, when you did the exact same thing?
That was current news reported on the situation, not just additonal commentary/opinion. For example, I would have no issue with a new thread if, say, the team is reported to have suspended him. This is just another "I think he sucks" post. The McCann article copied and pasted in the OP came out weeks ago and was based on the assumption that fear it flying was the primary issue.

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Don't know why you need to start a thread just to draw attention to photoshop pics you created. Anyone who cares about yelling at Royce White already read the other thread.
did you not read the OP's well-organized summary of the situation before the ONE photoshop pic, and then his commentary after the ONE pic?

you are not a moderator of this forum. don't know why you keep trying to surpress posts about royce, who is on the official team roster.

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I found the information and summary helpful. I don't want to drudge through the other white thread filled mostly with complaints about white. This one actually gave an interesting legal perspective....though it is based on the fear of flying as the primary cause of issue.
 
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That was current news reported on the situation, not just additonal commentary/opinion. For example, I would have no issue with a new thread if, say, the team is reported to have suspended him. This is just another "I think he sucks" post. The McCann article copied and pasted in the OP came out weeks ago and was based on the assumption that fear it flying was the primary issue.
As I stated in the other thread, if MODS choose to merge this I'm ok with that, just wanted to highlight some of the useful information in the McCann article without it being buried in the other thread.

I wish I consulted you on the thread title though, it was very early in the morning Down Under and that was the best I could come up with.

Come on Big Carl, give a brother some Love...


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