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TODAY: Islamic terrorist takes hostages in Sydney, Australia.

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  1. IzakDavid13

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    the Martin Place siege is being praised as a hero, responsible for allowing others trapped in the cafe to escape.

    Tori Johnson, 34, was wrestling a gun from gunman Man Haron Monis when he was killed.

    the cafe manager decided to take action when the hostage-taker begun to doze off after the siege had been ongoing for 17 hours.

    He lunged at the gunman’s weapon, enabling others to flee.

    The second hostage killed has been identified as Katrina Dawson, 38. The mother-of-three is the sister of well known Sydney lawyer Sandy Dawson.
     
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    ● Monis, who lived in southwest Sydney, was on bail for a number of violent offences, including a charge of accessory to murder. He was accused of assisting in the murder of his ex-wife, who was allegedly stabbed and set alight in a stairwell in Sydney last year. Monis’s current partner has been charged with murder over the incident.

    'Good' news for us living in Sydney is that his current partner is also out on bail...

    ● He was also facing 50 charges of indecent and sexual assault of women, including the 2002 sexual assault of a young woman that was allegedly carried out for her own “spiritual healing”

    ● He was also convicted of sending offensive letters to the families of Australian soldiers who had died at war in Afghanistan and Iraq. In one letter, he referred to a fallen Digger as “the son to a dirty pig”

    Read more:
    http://mobile.news.com.au/national/...now-what-we-dont/story-fnj3rq0y-1227156965180
     
  3. manbearpig

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    Asking Muslims as a community to condemn terrorism does come off whack. It's also very easy to do for clerics, even more radical Muslim groups will condemn terrorist attacks for more "peaceful" means to implement their ideals. It doesn't take much to say terrorism is bad.

    But there definitely is a need to create a culture of tolerance. From Morocco across to Malaysia, you will find that a Muslim majority has little tolerance for minority religions. Simple things like just acknowledging minority religions (ie, Hinduism - a religion not mentioned in the Koran) are not even of interest. So yea sure you can say that Kuwaitis are condemning the terrorist attacks, but a religion that comprises over 10% of Kuwait's entire population, cannot even be acknowledged to exist? And this is in one of the richest, well educated, and forward countries in the Arab world?

    As Christianity is relatively small through the Middle East and South Asia, it's interesting to look at the plight of Hindus in these regions. That'll shine light on how tolerant moderate Muslims are.
     
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    Communicating with the Muslim terrorists on their own wavelength might prove interesting. Suppose the Australian justice system, after their investigation is complete, decapitated the terrorist to study his brain and then fed his body to a drift (herd) of pigs. I wonder if this would give the next terrorist pause.
     
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    they don't fear death. they kill everyone including their own children. they use bullets and bombs and rockets. why would they pause?
     
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    straw. man.
     
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    My dear Faust, considering your moniker, you should know the answer. During their descent into the hell they deserve, Muslim terrorists would know they wouldn't get to enjoy their 72 virgins since their bodies would be defiled, preventing them from entering their Muslim heaven -- or at least that's the way I hear their heaven works.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Sources have told ABC that Tori Johnson, the manager of the Lindt Cafe, was trying to wrestle weapon away from gunman when he was killed.</p>&mdash; Lucy Carter (@lucethoughts) <a href="https://twitter.com/lucethoughts/status/544643341942403073" data-datetime="2014-12-16T00:01:06+00:00">December 16, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    Unfortunately, when civilian hostages try to be hero's, the outcome is almost always negative (unless it's hollywood). Is the protocol stay quiet and look after yourself first- try to escape??
     
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    1. Impossible to know exactly what happened.
    2. Don't second guess the judgement of a guy who spent 16 hours in constant fear of life at gunpoint.
    3. I think 9/11 showed us hostages can save thousands of lives.
     
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    lol at the overreaction by the bigots (Bandwagonner et al. and the BBS resident neo-nazi ATW) regarding a simple question that I asked.
     
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    I'm confused by this. There is no silence by moderates nor has there been.

    What I'm mostly confused about is that you're upset that they aren't holding rallies, while Muslims who are more moderate than ISIS are actually involved in physical armed battles with ISIS, giving their lives, and fighting against ISIS with weapons.

    Yet you call them silent and taking no action against radical Muslims, when in fact they are fighting, killing, and dying in action against radical Muslims.

    I would think that goes beyond a speech, or a rally.

    The point you seem to be trying to make doesn't really make sense given what is actually happening around the world.
     
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    this is the most hypocritical post i've ever read. 30 or so islamaphobia fueled incidents in a population of 23 million does not justify what you were insinuating. everywhere has their bigots, thankfully they are the vast minority.
     
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    The barrel gains momentum as it rolls down the hill ..

    just like any major event ..

    Arab spring, etc. ..

    You've got 10,000 Germans responding in the following manner

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30478321

    While I agree this is an isolated incident and not connected with any major faction, isolated incidents are a weekly thing with Islam ..

    Things are going to tighten up in Australia.. they have a low tolerance for bull****.
     
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    So they will crack down on mentally unstable people across the country?

    Just for the record, Australia has been awesome handling this so far not associating with irrational hate that can stem from a incident like this.
     
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    You just couldn't wait to post something like that to support your narrative, couldn't you? Sorry, but this makes you look bad. He's known to police because Muslims actually reported him to the police since he was claiming to be a "cleric" and offering spiritual healing, through which he actually sexually assaulted people.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...115413357?nk=0d3cc0778456bbf8d1ef30b23b2fc70b

    Dude was a fraud from the beginning. Not considered "moderate" by anyone, as you claim.
     
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    This is a stupid post, and I'll give you a couple of reasons why. Your original post said there will be a backlash against Muslims in Australia. So either you want there to be a backlash against Muslims, making you a bigot. Or you're saying it's just something that is bound to happen as a result of this hostage crisis, which makes you not only misleading but just plain wrong. You post about clueless people cherry-picking stories, yet you cherry-pick a story from OCTOBER - so even before this hostage incident - and to top it off, even your own story mentions how these anti-Muslim acts are "abhorrent" and should be "condemned"!

    So which is it - disregard fallenphoenix's article about Australians showing solidarity with Muslims as a result of this very hostage situation? Or read your own cherry-picked article that predates this story and condemns the acts?
     

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