I probably should have started this thread sooner. Trade rumors with some news or inside info to fuel it deserve a new thread, but trade ideas by posters should go here. <a href="http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=157357">Last year's thread for reference</a> <HR> At times throughout the year, some posters start threads to pose a trade idea. If lots of people post trade ideas, it clutters up the forum, so <a href="http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=115538">we decided a couple years ago</a> to try to have one thread for "random trade ideas" that are not based on news involving the Rockets. They are simply, "What do you think about... " scenarios. Here are the rules of the "Random Trade Idea" thread. 1) Keep your trade ideas realistic. We all know why the Rockets would want Danny Granger or Chris Paul ... but try to ask the question "Why does it make sense for the other team?" 2) Don't be a jerk. There are going to be unrealistic scenarios posted ... just point out to them why it couldn't happen, if you feel so inclined. Report the post as ludicrous if you must, but don't nuke the poster and call them names. It spirals the thread down.
Here's my random trade idea (sure to get me killed ). Carl Landry to Oklahoma City for James Harden I haven't watched Harden to get a good enough feel for his ceiling, but it's a trade from a positional standpoint that I think could make sense for both teams: Why OKC does it This really depends on what position you think is best suited for Kevin Durant. If you think Durant is a future four because of his length (tough to see with his total lack of bulk), then this may not be right for them. But if you see Durant and Jeff Green manning the two and three between them, then Harden is a potential luxury and doesn't have a future starting position. The Thunder's biggest needs are post players. Why Houston does it The Rockets need a true two guard -- it's the one position where their future is pretty cloudy. Battier is a small forward and Ariza does not have the ballhandling skills of a two -- he looks like the Rockets three for the next several years. You could argue that McGrady (who doesn't look to have a long-term future here) is a small forward too. Landry is starting to soar as a scoring power forward, is on a cheap contract for another season beyond this one and his trade value has gone up. The Rockets have to make a financial commitment to Luis Scola at season's end or watch him walk. Does Brooks-Harden-Ariza-Scola-Yao scare people from a starting lineup perspective? Not sure. Personally, I think the Rockets are thinking bigger fish if they're moving assets like Landry, Brooks or Scola, but it's a case where two team needs may be met.
Clutch, thanks for putting up this thread. I really didn't want to start a new thread with my idea but saw no other alternative. Well, I could have just kept my idea to myself . . . As for the Landry-Harden idea, I don't think OKC will do it for two reasons. First, it looks like Scottie Brooks has definitely pegged Durant as a SF, and I think most people would say that is his most natural position. He also views Jeff Green as the team's long-term PF, being of the new age, face-up variety. Where OKC needs a clear long-term solution is at SG, hence their drafting of Harden over Ricky Rubio (who may actually have been more inclined to take the financial hit and pay his buyout fee to DKV Joventut had he gotten the larger rookie salary scale money of a #3 overall pick). Thabo Sefalosha is a nice role player and a good defender, but he's not their long-term answer at that position. I think it would take more than Carl Landry to get OKC to give up on another potential Brandon Roy.
I will play along Kevin Martin\Nocioni for T-mac deal ( plus what ever other fillers you need to make the deal work) Why the rockets do it: gets us the scoring 2 guard that we need. it also gives us the ability to trade Shane for another position of need. Like backup point or Center. Why the kings do it: Evans is a Monster. He is there 2 guard for the future. He has a body like Lebron and handles and body control like Brandon Roy and a shot like Joe Johnson. As good as Martin is Evans is just as good if not better and has a cheaper contract. If the kings trade for Mcgrady they get even more cap space and go after a high profile free agent to compliment there core of Thompson and Evans.
Personally, I like the Landry/Harden trade, but the reasoning you propose for OKC seems to be superseded by the fact that they drafted Harden with Greene and Durant already on board. If they wanted a big, it would have made more sense for them to trade down in the draft and get Hill, who is obviously unproven but arguably has a higher ceiling than Landry. Plus they would have received some other type of compensation for trading back.
McGrady and his expiring $23mil contract + Jermaine Taylor for Samuel Dalembert 2yr $12mil/year and Iggy 5yr $12mil/yr Houston gets their height + shotblocker while getting a 25yr old 2nd tier SG Philly gets rid of Dally and gain cap space but sacrifice AI2, after realizing that he will never be the #1 option for a contender. additionally, S. Battier for JR 'Earl' Smith the trades seem to favor houston in both cases, so the other teams might not be interested, but then again most trades are lopsided so~
I anticipate that if a major deal happens it will be closer to the deadline but we REALLLLYYYY need a big who can rebound and block shots NOW. So nothing special but could be a nice addition. Hilton Armstrong for Brian Cook This is the type of deal I can see Morey doing to help correct the rebounding issue without messing with the team to much: Why New Orleans does it They aren't to happy with the team as is and Armstrong isn't getting minutes so a change of venue would be warrented. With Scott being taken out and the team losing Paul for a few weeks it could be time to start moving some assets for salary cap space and they would get a bit more with Cook. Why Houston does it Oviously The Rox need an interior presence and this guy while dissappointing could develope into something of the sort. If it doesn't work out its still an expiring deal so its a low risk big reward type deal Morey loves. Armstrong hasn't shown he can be a consistent Shot Blocker or Rebounder but maybe with a change of venue he can develope and be that kinda player. We need size and this guy could provide it, I SAID COULD provide it.
The Sixers aren't going to give up Igoudala just to get rid of Dalembert. I am pretty sure Igoudala is the closest thing to being "untouchable" on the Sixers' roster right now. He might not be a franchise player but he's playing well enough that he's earning his paycheck (unlike Dalembert). Battier for JR Smith would be nice in that Denver would be awesome having Battier playing alongside Melo but I would guess that getting Smith while sacrificing Battier is something Morey isn't going to do in respect to the intangibles each bring/lack.
I like this trade. Armstrong, when given minutes, proved to be pretty efficient and could immediately come in and become our backup center. I don't know if the Hornets would want to take on Cook's bigger contract since it means Shinn might have to pay more luxury tax
Morey has said that he plans on improving the team through trade and that Houston will have an allstar player by the season's end. I know he usually likes to make only low risk trades, but that isn't how you add high reward players. I expect Morey will make a big splash sometime this season. I don't expect it to be either Bosh or Stoudemire just because of the free agency situation meaning we could just lose them at the season's end. My guess??? I honestly, totally think we could get Chris Paul from New Orleans. A trade of Tracy, Brooks, and Cook for Paul, Peja and Peterson or Songalia would get it done. New Orleans does it to save 30 + million next season and the season after that and to save 5 million this season. They also will forgo the inevitable embarrassment of Paul asking for a trade immediately dropping trading leverage. Houston does it because...well...it's Chris Paul. I normally dislike Peja (especially for nearly 14 million) but I'd live with him coming off the bench. He's like a vastly overpaid Barry
That's definitely a possibility. But teams tend to take the best player available when they don't have a particular need at a position (unless there is a sure fire player like LeBron). I don't think Harden was clearly the best available at #3, and the Thunder definitely needed front court help. I think they honestly just liked him that much.
i actually see morey doing this and the good thing is that it will get cook away from us. the only problem is what will the hornets want with him?
If New Orleans trades Chris Paul, they can wave goodbye to their franchise. Their owner is having a hard enough time financially, and trading away the only reason fans come to the game would be fiscal suicide. And even if they were to trade Paul, there are other teams that could take on Peja/Posey's contracts that could also offer MUCH better packages than a large expiring + an inconsistent PG. At this point, I think the Rockets should stand pat and watch this season play out. We probably can't and won't be big players in 2010, but perhaps 2011. I know that seems like ages away, but we have to be patient.
Armstrong and Julian Wright are underachieving big time and the Hornets are getting fustrated so IMO they would want to get a bit more salary cap room for next year thinking about Paul and keeping him happy by singing a decent player go with West and himself. Cook would be the 15th guy but he gives them a little more of an expiring deal. We could sweeten the deal but then you get into the whole "is it even worth it" argument.
I let the best of my emotions get in the way of logical thinking when it comes to the Rockets. So, I will go with the idea of just waiting and staying pat. I know what the team needs now is a solid big that can rebound and block shots but it will not be easy to get such player. I know Yao will be back next season but damn it I want the team to do well now!!
Incoming Players Beno Udrih 6-3 PG from Slovenia (Foreign) 13.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 3.6 apg in 29.6 minutes Andres Nocioni 6-7 SF from Argentina (Foreign) 11.6 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.2 apg in 25.9 minutes Kevin Martin 6-7 SG from Western Carolina 30.6 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.6 apg in 41.7 minutes Outgoing Players Chase Budinger 6-7 SF from Arizona 9.3 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 18.5 minutes Aaron Brooks 5-11 PG from Oregon 16.7 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 6.1 apg in 33.9 minutes Tracy McGrady 6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS) No games yet played in 2009-2010 Sacramento Trade Breakdown Change in Team Outlook: -29.7 ppg, -6.6 rpg, and +0.1 apg. Incoming Players Chase Budinger 6-7 SF from Arizona 9.3 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 18.5 minutes Aaron Brooks 5-11 PG from Oregon 16.7 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 6.1 apg in 33.9 minutes Tracy McGrady 6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS) No games yet played in 2009-2010 Outgoing Players Beno Udrih 6-3 PG from Slovenia (Foreign) 13.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 3.6 apg in 29.6 minutes Andres Nocioni 6-7 SF from Argentina (Foreign) 11.6 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.2 apg in 25.9 minutes Kevin Martin 6-7 SG from Western Carolina 30.6 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.6 apg in 41.7 minutes 2010-2011 (minutes per game) PF - Scola (28mpg) SF - Ariza (26mpg) C - Yao (30mpg) SG - Martin (35mpg) PG - Lowry (28mpg) Bench: PG - Udrih (20mpg) SG/SF - Battier (25mpg) SF/PF - Nocioni (18mpg) PF - Landry (18mpg) PF/C - Hayes/Anderson (12mpg) PF/C - Draft Pick IR: PG - Llull PF/C - Dorsey SG - Taylor
Houston: Aaron Brooks, Shane Battier and Luis Scola - $11,342,387 Cleveland: Anderson Varejao, Mo Williams, JJ Hickson - $16,632,836 Rockets get inside presence and rebounding with Varejao at the FC, a more disciplined, high scoring point guard with a high shooting percentage and a mid-range shot, and a young PF. Cleveland gets a young, speedy point guard who however gives up size and shooting ability to Williams but with smaller contract, an All NBA Second team defender instead of an undersized SG with offcourt issues (West), and they finally get a mid-range shooting PF to complement Shaq and also has a legitamite post game. I don't know what the contracts of all players look like after this year and the deal may put the Rockets over the limit and pay salary tax, but they will have a stronger inside presence and better mid-range shooting at the PG.