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I seem to be running into a bunch of these Gasol articles.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterocket...-2-yes-please/

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Why are so many of you picking on Daryl Morey?

I mean, the Rockets are in the heart of the playoff hunt and nipping at the heels of the defending NBA champion Dallas Mavericks. Dallas is 17-11, Houston is 16-12.

And imagine, he is doing this with a payroll that is in the bottom third of the league. That has to make his boss happy.

When Morey took over as GM in 2007, the Rockets had finished third in the division and fifth in the conference, the same position they are in now.

So he hasnít exactly run the franchise into the ground, right?

Anyway, itís not like Morey isnít trying to improve the team.

I find it hard to believe that so many of you continue to be against the Rockets acquiring Pau Gasol. The four-time All-Star, three-time All-NBA Gasol that is.

Gasol would move the Rockets into a different NBA social class, the upper middle class at least.

(In theory, so would Carmelo Anthony. But letís not have that debate. The Rockets tried like crazy to get him from Denver last year, but couldnít pull it off. The Knicks will not keep playing 1.000 ball when Anthony returns to the lineup and the Linsanity will dictate that Anthony gets the blame. But Anthony isnít going anywhere and for New York to win in the postseason, Anthony will play a major role.)

Back to the Rockets and genuine possibilities Ö

I understand you really like Luis Scola. So do I. I understand you really believe in Kevin Martin. So does his close family members.

But to be a really good team, you must have premier players. Gasol has been and is that, plus he is a big man, which would make his presence even more significant to the Rockets.

Gasol at the 4 with Dalembert at the 5 would be a huge improvement over what the Rockets can put on the floor right now. David Stern nixed the deal the last time, but if a similar version of the deal comes up, it is a move the Rockets have to make.

The Lakersí need for a point guard is the chief reason they are willing to part with Gasol, saving a little moolah is secondary on that list.

A hindsight thought is one wonders if LA would have been interested in Goran Dragic, whose family really believes in him too. I donít think Dragic is anything special, and heck, the Rockets could have just grabbed some guy from Harvard to be a backup point guard.

Suns coach Alvin Gentry told me that Dragic is a heck of a lot better than most know. Perhaps the Lakers are in the know on that one.

Regardless, this is such an interesting NBA season. Donít get too lost in what happens during the regular season. Itíll likely all shakeout in the playoffs, where, as constituted, a team like the Rockets will have little chance of making any noise.

Trading for Gasol would change that.

Side note: I found this white reading this GEM of an article (as bad as it could be analyzed it was): http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...lan-for-future
 
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Lin before "Gasol is a Bitch".
 
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I am all for acquiring gasol especially if it only requires scola and martin. For those of you that are against this trade your knowledge of basketball and the NBA isn't up to snuff.

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I guess with the emergence of Lin.... I'd rather have him now.... than this Spaniard

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I am all for acquiring gasol especially if it only requires scola and martin. For those of you that are against this trade your knowledge of basketball and the NBA isn't up to snuff.
Rockets are 16-12. Lakers are 16-12. They are virtually equal in conference standings. Personally, i think we would beat them in a seven games series. I just don't see the need.
 
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nope... its salary cap suicide... pau is on the decline... yes so is scola...martin is close to being an expiring and we can still amnesty scola... we would be stuck with pau... and after one two years his contract would be Twice as bad as hedo's who is almost a deal breaker for most trying to get dwight... this is a business first... and aquiring pau is a bad business decision... yes he is better than scola... but not worth his contract better...there is better options out there....
 
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Interesting read from Jerome. Thoughts on whether this is pure speculation on his part, or if someone has been dropping hints to him?
 
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I've never been a Gasol fan, but he is an upgrade over scola, though I would REALLY hate to lose Gragic.

I would probably give up Martin, scola and Dragic
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Gasol, Darius Morris, 1st rounder

The best part of that trade would be moving Bud to the 2 and bring our future star Marcus Morris up.

Lowry
Lee
Morris
Pau
Dal

OR

Lowry
Lee
Morris
Pat
Gasol

Would be a great starting 5 IMO

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So Solomon is flip-flopping now?

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I am all for acquiring gasol especially if it only requires scola and martin. For those of you that are against this trade your knowledge of basketball and the NBA isn't up to snuff.
truth.
look at the past nba champions. they usually have good frontlines.

nowitzki/chandler
garnett/perkins
bynum/gasol
duncan/ umm forgot, but yea duncan

and im also not a big fan of martin. yea i said it.

and yea gasol is getting paid a lot but hey morey knows how to fill out a good roster without a lot of money. just look at bud, lowry, parsons's contracts. look at all of the unsigned FAs usually he brings in at a cheap cost: ish smith, lin, temple, j. taylor, adrien. but a deep roster kind of restricts him in this department since you can only have 15 guys (im looking at you flynn).
 
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Bringing Morris up would be big after a trade to get Gasol. We would be sooo much better on defense.

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truth.
look at the past nba champions. they usually have good frontlines.

nowitzki/chandler
garnett/perkins
bynum/gasol
duncan/ umm forgot, but yea duncan

and im also not a big fan of martin. yea i said it.

and yea gasol is getting paid a lot but hey morey knows how to fill out a good roster without a lot of money. just look at bud, lowry, parsons's contracts. look at all of the unsigned FAs usually he brings in at a cheap cost: ish smith, lin, temple, j. taylor, adrien. but a deep roster kind of restricts him in this department since you can only have 15 guys (im looking at you flynn).
Gasol is nowhere near Prime Garnetts and Nowitzki's level........ stop it....in Shaqtus' words.

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I do think we would give up less for Caveman than Gasol... and he brings better offensive output than Gasol, slightly worse rebounder and shotblocker, but plays tough most of the time, also a borderline allstar 2 years ago in his own rights......

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I am all for acquiring gasol especially if it only requires scola and martin. For those of you that are against this trade your knowledge of basketball and the NBA isn't up to snuff.
He's soft, old, on the decline, does not want to play for Houston, is contributing less and less for the Lakers. Nene, DH or DWill aren't coming, just to play with him. Plus the Lakers would ask for Lowry or Dragic + Scola/Martin. If he was 10 yrs younger and could pull 30/15 a game, maybe. As is, hell no.
 
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I do think we would give up less for Caveman than Gasol... and he brings better offensive output than Gasol, slightly worse rebounder and shotblocker, but plays tough most of the time, also a borderline allstar 2 years ago in his own rights......
i agree... cavemen comes cheaper and is an expiring... him and dally with scola and ppat is better option IMO because its four post players to be moved around in differnet scenarios... compared to pau and dally and ppat which is only 3 man rotaion(injury would f#ck us)... caveman imo is just as servicable as pau... and Younger!... people forget that and tend to think he is ... because well, he LOOKS old... really old... but hes not... only 29... younger than 31(pau)... plus his contract ends(better flexibility than with pau)...
 
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Gasol is good when he wants to be and when pushed by Kobe (when he doesn't crumble and fade into the background that is) but he hasn't looked good this year at all. He's already stated that he doesn't want to come to Houston so his performance would likely even been worse here than in LA. I just don't see it. Maybe 5 years ago, but not with the current roster and payroll. It really limits flexibility down the road even in a weakish market. I just don't think he's worth it at this point, unless they want Flynn, Thabeet, and TWill in return.

Also, how does a erm... professional? journalist like Solomon not understand subject-verb agreement? "So does his close family members." Really?
 
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Gasol is good when he wants to be and when pushed by Kobe (when he doesn't crumble and fade into the background that is) but he hasn't looked good this year at all. He's already stated that he doesn't want to come to Houston so his performance would likely even been worse here than in LA. I just don't see it. Maybe 5 years ago, but not with the current roster and payroll. It really limits flexibility down the road even in a weakish market. I just don't think he's worth it at this point, unless they want Flynn, Thabeet, and TWill in return.

Also, how does a erm... professional? journalist like Solomon not understand subject-verb agreement? "So does his close family members." Really?
Well, no **** he doesn't want to come to Houston. But if we're only going to get players who would rather play for the Rockets than the Lakers, only the most prestigious team in the league, we're going to have a pretty damn small roster.

And how will it hurt flexibility? Everyone freaks out about his money, but we'll be paying more for Martin and Scola for the next two years as opposed to just Gasol anyways. Sure, he has a third year, but big deal. Scola will be making 10 million that year anyways.

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I love this trade... part ways w/ Scola as he comes down the other side of the hill, send poster beta male K-Mart and his "non-basketball" moves out of town, and bring in the most skilled big in the game.

Then, retain Lee and sign Eric Gordon in the offseason.

Next, draft Meyers Leonard and a backup PG, possibly Tony Wroten.

Lowry/Wroten
Gordon/Lee
Budinger/Morris
Gasol/Patterson
Dalembert/Leonard

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Gasol is good when he wants to be and when pushed by Kobe (when he doesn't crumble and fade into the background that is) but he hasn't looked good this year at all. He's already stated that he doesn't want to come to Houston so his performance would likely even been worse here than in LA. I just don't see it. Maybe 5 years ago, but not with the current roster and payroll. It really limits flexibility down the road even in a weakish market. I just don't think he's worth it at this point, unless they want Flynn, Thabeet, and TWill in return.

Also, how does a erm... professional? journalist like Solomon not understand subject-verb agreement? "So does his close family members." Really?
I don't advocate for a Gasol deal here but to say the guy hasn't looked good is not true. Kobe, Bynum and him are keeping the Fakers afloat. Guys like Barnes and McRoberts are the next best guys and they are average to below average fodder.
He is 2 years removed from being a star in this league but he is still playing borderline allstar level.... better than Martin and Scola right now.....
Well does he earn his big time contract? .Hell No!.... he would have to average 20 and 10 - 12 to do that... He is not doing that but is close.... 16.7 and 10.5 rbs

He is doing alright....just not enough to make it a big SPLASH as advertised.

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The Lakers will want Lowry, any deal for Gasol will involve Lowry going the other way, please remember this.

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