which is exactly why the rockets loaded up on wing defenders but saying we'll get this imaginary person in no way makes eric gordon not needed. he's a scorer first. hes not here for his point guard skills.
its good that they loaded up on wing defenders who are cheap, which makes him expendable at 20 million dollars a year. he's not going to have the ball as much this year, especially when he's playing with CP3 and harden. when those three are on the court together, which would be what? 20 minutes a game? you have three short defenders. the warriors have livingston, and klay thompson. do you think we can beat the warriors as constructed, without carmelo?
EG is going to be playing plenty of minutes. the first guy off the bench and the 6th man of the year will continue to have a huge role. of course hou can't beat GS without melo but giving up EG in addition to, as if hes just easily replaceable is not something I would do. that's just too much unless you can give me a logical scenario that replaces him.
this is true he's going to be playing many minutes with CP3 and harden. this is going to leave us at a defensive disadvantage against long armed 2's. and we don't need his point guard skills at 20 million a year. this is true.
I value is ability to play on his own over his pg skills that he somewhat had a role in bc harden was the only one last year. but basically i just think adding him to get melo is too much and actually unnecessary given the situation.
What are you talking about? His role will be the same as before, 6th man scorer. Gordon isn't a playmaking guard he is a scoring guard so he doesn't need the ball in his hands until he is going to score. More important than roles or whatever is the overall talent of your roster, if you lose Gordon so what if you add Melo? Thats still 3 stars vs 5 stars in GSW, you think you can get cheap players who will offset 2 star advantage in gsw? Even with Melo in a buy out we still be behind, what more if you lose Gordon? How is it redundant to have 3 great perimeter players? What is this, slam dunk? You can't have just 5 starters on the team and a bunch of scrubs, with 3 backcourt stars you will ensure you have a star backcourt lineup on the floor at all times. If we didn't have gordon in the playoffs or important matchups MDA will play Harden and Cp3 40 mins a night, why do you think Harden lead the league in mpg last year?
he doesn't make plays? he was the secondary playmaker last year, when harden was double teamed...in fact, i actually think he's better than harden, lol. he can drive to the basket and dish, unlike beverley, who barely can. he doesn't need the ball in his hands. he can do both. they are only 3 great players on the offense side of the ball when all three are on the floor. when harden plays the 3, he's going to be a weak link defensively. and then gordon will also be succeptable to players who can shoot over him, and post him up. he's only 6-4, even though he's a good defensive player. we dont need his ability to drive to the bucket while giving up length, for 20 million dollars a year. i'd rather have a 6-6 guard with long arms, who can play good defense and shoot above 38 percent on a much cheaper contract.
Ok first of all Gordon doesn't make 20M a year wtf he only makes 15M a year. Secondly Gordon is not a better playmaker than Harden you are on crack or what? Thirdly why does he or harden need to play 3? 6-6 guard who can play and and shoit 3s? We got 3 of those already named Troy Williams, PJ Tucker and Trevor Ariza. 4rthly Gordon is our bench, why do you want to get rid of him so bad? When Cp3 and Harden need to rest who will be the center of the 2nd unit? Bobby Brown? None of your points make any sense wanting a cheap 3nD guy when we alrrady have 3 of those and getting rid of the 6th man of the year for no reason.
Actually, EG makes a little under $13m. $20m isn't even close. How'd you get that far off? Does it change your mind now that you know he makes over $7m less than you thought. Pretty damn good contract, imo, as long as he stays healthy. One of the reasons we won't trade him.
Did you just describe Paul - a regular All NBA first team defense - as a short defender? Paul will lock down a PG. Gordon will do a decent job on SG's. Harden can EEEEEEEEEEASILY guard 3's just as well as he can guard guards. In fact, it's beneficial to put Harden on a less mobile player, his biggest defensive screw ups come against players who move quick off the ball. Why on earth is there this cartoonish notion that to beat the Warriors all you have to do is guard every single one of their players? Who the F is going to guard Gordon if Paul and Harden are on the floor? Who the hell has a team where their 3rd best perimeter defender can stop Gordon from scoring 20-25? He was putting up 15-20 while always being the second best offensive threat. Is Zaza Pachulia going to keep up with Clint in transition or disturb him on alley oops? Is Livingston going to stay with Harden or Paul? It's really too bad the Cavs played such crap basketball in the finals and no one noticed Lebron was defensively a joke too. It's given birth to these ridiculous ideas about the Warriors. They're an incredible team and incredible teams don't adjust their strategy to a team they believe they are better than. MDA NEVER DOES THAT. Losers do that. To beat GS, we have to be incredible ourselves. We don't have to be incredible relative to them. We have to make them adjust. We have to put out a lineup that their "death" line-up would struggle to guard - and we would have that with Gordon. We would have Curry guarding Gordon, and Gordon would torch him. Which would force either Klay or Iggy onto Harden and Paul, and we are going to dominate one of those matchups too. I can't believe I have to justify the idea of having the best all time starting backcourt backed up by the 6th man of the year. How can that be seen as unnecessary rather than an incredible weapon/advantage?
whoops. for some reason, i remembered that him and anderson were both signed to a 20 mill contract. mind blip. it is a good contract. yes i am now in favor of not trading for melo unless ryan anderson and at most a future first and a second. if not, i say wait till the trade deadline, and wait for next year for lebron. no way we give up capela. hopefully he can learn the dreamshake.
OMG just thought of this line up Paul Ego Harden Melo Capela Oh my..... May not be as lengthy as GS but man how do you guard that????
yes, chris paul is 6 foot, that is realitively short for a guard, but he wouldn't be the problem. the other two would. yes, brother, i know he's all NBA defense, but keep in mind that he didn't even guard the opponents best guard last year, austin rivers did. i said 3 short defenders....like, total. the problem here is harden, who really can't guard anyone but a defensive specialist who can't shoot or box out a four with no post game. because of harden, one of the other guards is going to be matched up with a 2 or a 3 with length, who will be eric gordon at 6-4. the warriors can definately defend those three perimeter on the perimeter.
Eric Gordon at 12mil/year, coming off a year where he was the second best player on a 55 win team and is the 3point shooting champion and 6th man of the year is >> as an asset than Melo. Not to mention he is a pedect complement to either Paul and Harden. Decent defender and can make plays in a pinch. People forget that when he was ON last year, thats when we had our run in Nov/Dec.
Yeah, I, too, had it in my mind once during the season that we paid the same or similar amounts. I think what we were remembering was the argument last year about whether or not we overpaid for EGo, with his injury history, and because at the time, he played the same position as Harden. But as soon as we saw how well JH played PG, as long as EGo didn't miss major amounts of games, then Morey actually got a great value contract. EGo signed one of those low contracts vs his potential that some vets sign when they need to repair their career image (his image being missing a lot of games).
no doubt. you want your team to have two former 6th men of the year on it. 6th men of the year are almost always underrated players that could start for almost any other team in the league. Gordon was just under all star level last year; well worth his $12 mil a year. It's a value contract.
Gordon isn't a PG, he's a true shooting guard. If you look up "Shooting Guard" in the book of basketball terms you would likely see a picture of Eric Gordon.
