Let people protest from home and hold Zoom Meeting protests. Or let them wait until the social distancing orders are over. ANYONE AND EVERYONE that does not practice social distancing is a danger to others. They are also big giant assholes. I have friends who are doctors and one that's a nurse. He has had to move out of his family's home because of his work fighting Covid19. His wife makes meals and sends them to him. He can't go home, and jackasses like this are adding to his workload and the burden of all healthcare workers. I have another friend who's wife and two daughters are all nurses. They weren't able to even get masks until recently. They are also put at risk because of this kind of stuff. Our rights aren't allowed to infringe on the rights of others. These people's protests, and gatherings are endangering others. They should at least be fined to help pay for the medical supplies and resources they are causing to be wasted because of their selfishness.
The risk of overwhelming the hospital system has now passed. It's time to update our thinking based on available data. Setting policy based on this potential risk is now outdated. Remember, the virus moved around unabated by social distancing for many weeks during a time when no herd immunity was present. Those were the worst conditions in terms of spread. Those conditions cannot be replicated or exceeded, since herd immunity is now developing. So again, the risk of exceeding hospital bed capacity is tiny. There is not a single hospital NATIONWIDE that has not been able to care for COVID patients. In fact, the opposite is true - there has been a great abundance of capacity -- too much actually and medical resources have been taken away from other health needs to provide for this over-hyped threat of COVID. The pro-lockdown people have not updated their thinking for the evolving information. Use science, update your thinking, be smart.
Do you not get tired of trolling and playing this "role" on a basketball forum non stop? I admire your dedication to it at least.
The risk HAS NOT passed. We are -- by all evidence -- under-testing and under-diagnosing, but we are not close to herd immunity. I would speculate there are 5-10x more people infected or have been infected than currently diagnosed. But 10x the infected number is still only 6 million infections/recovered out of 400 million (although 75 million under 18 are much less likely to have bad outcomes with COVID-19 are generally thought to be vectors). This represents less than 2% of the entire US population. My logic is as follows: Hospitals in large cities WERE NOT overwhelmed with patients with pneumonia of unknown origin prior to March. Today, hospitals in affected areas have censuses between 60-80% COVID positive patients with pneumonia and these patients represent about 20% of the overall positive tested. Majority of tested so far have been negative for evidence of active COVID infection. Testing rules are still stringent requiring combination of exposure and number of symptoms, so these patients are considered symptomatic. ICUs today in large cities ARE now filled by COVID patients. Doubling of death rates in NYC over the last few weeks show that extra people are actually dying and not just regular number of people who would die any given day but now with COVID as well. South Korea has a mortality rate of 0.6% while the US has 4.2%. South Korea tested everyone while we lost the month of February and still lack the testing capacity. What we are approaching for several major cities is a peak in the setting of social distancing. This was the goal of flattening the curve. Not the true peak, but one where people are supposed to be heavily limiting their social interactions with non-household members which reduced the infectivity rate. The decision to deescalate social distancing rules should be made on a county by county level based on resources and evident risk of spread and risk of mortality. In the coming days, the NIH is going to start random mass testing for COVID antibodies. Hopefully, we will have a large scale antibody testing capability that is both reliable and affordable so that we can quickly assess who no longer is at risk for themselves or others and get those folks back to re-opening America. Let us hope and pray the infectivity falls off across the world due to any reason in the coming days and weeks. But having impromptu political rallies and protests, for sure, will not be the fix.
Like I said earlier, you are a moron. Has everyone been infected with the virus? Have you confirmed that those infected will not be reinfected and have severe symptoms (SK has those issues currently). Unless you can confirm that majority is now immune to the virus and there is no mutation, the risk that hospitals will not be overwhelmed has not passed. You might not be aware but many hospitals in big cities are being overwhelmed across the nation. Patient to staff ratios are going past limits for adequate care which has been puting more people at risk of death or permanently compromised respiratory systems. What you had in NYC (about 10% death per confirmed case) would be the best scenario for most cities if the systems is reopened at this stage. There cannot be an indefinite shutdown of the economy (its not feasible) but proper measure have to be put in place before gradually reopining it. Not enough is being done to do so. Reopening prematurely will only waste all efforts till this point but some of you are blinded by ignorance and/or selfish motives to appreciate this
I hear this a lot. The odd thing is, if you look at the actual monetary numbers there really isn't a lot of "milking the gov" by individual citizens. The overwhelming amount of milking is taking place by corporations and the ultra rich....... this really isn't any different than the line that was popular in the 1980's and 1990's that every skeptic claimed they say a black family buying lobster and steak with food stamps and driving away in a Cadillac.
I'm not sure it's a binary choice between wanting to work, and protesting in this manner, and "milking" the government. 20M+ people have lost their jobs in the last month. Are these protestors - who are defying social distancing guidelines, not wearing masks and lashing out at scientific recommendations meant to prevent them getting themselves and their loved ones sick - the only group of people who want to return to work? I think that some of the 20M unemployed would also like to return to work ASAP, but aren't gathering to protest at state capitols with guns and Trump flags. Does injecting cash (and $1,200 is a paltry one-time amount) into the hands of folks really count as "milking" when the alternative is a widespread collapse of nearly all purchasing power, mortgages, rents, etc.? As @Nook said, this line of thinking is about 30 years old and not applicable to the situation we're in now.
Get ready to see a lot more of this bullshit for the next 4-8 years. Media needs to not take the bait.
President Trump has run up almost 8 trillion in gov debt under his watch while slashing and cutting public services. Who is doing the milking and what is being milked?? That's a **** ton of Walmart caviar and lobster mac n cheese.
That's because these people blindly believe everything the President says. They want to reopen the economy without testing. If the government had delivered on the testing they promised, the economy could be phased back open right now. Instead, we're still looking for tests (something the government botched in a big way), and blaming those not at fault for the economy. The buck stops at the President. Him and his government bungled the testing. They didn't get tests out in time. They failed to test people. They are responsible for the economy as well. If we had followed South Korea's model, the economy could possibly be open again. If we had tested more, there would be less death and less restrictions.
I am not speaking about those people. I am speaking about the people that stay on unemployment for longer than necessary or have kids to get stamps. But thank you for your assumption about my post.
I don't think the 2 to 3% mortality rate is referring to schoolchildren but rather an increase in the overall mortality rate. It's still of course a terrible thing to say, especially for a doctor. Also, opening up schools without a way to test and measure student infection on a wide scale would be incredibly dangerous. You'd literally be providing the virus an ideal breeding ground. It's confounding that any medical doctor would propose this at this juncture.
