Forgot to say that I don't think it's a big deal that they put Yao in 3rd NBA team. This kind of voting is only based on opinions. It takes time for Yao to change people's mind. And without Rockets' success as a team I don't think Yao can go very far in personal recognition. After all, basketball is a team sport.
In don't know why people still respond to RocketsMac. He just makes assertion after assertion without producing a bit of factual data and just ignores anybody else's facts.
That "Yao ming sux at defense" comment really annoyed me. I usually don't get baited into these kinds of discussions. Whatever. fa7999: Click on their name, then view public profile. There's an ignore list button there.
dude, the summit has been gone for almost a decade now. That was a long ass time ago. Things change. Bodies deteroriate.
I don't see anyone attacking you. I do see people laying out statistics and facts to counter your assertions. Don't play the victim card here. And if you try to say Yao 'can't defend' and then base your argument on some facials and that he couldn't stop the penetration of a 6'3" PG on a few plays, you are quickly pulling yourself down to the level of the idiots on the ESPN boards. However, I gave you credit in another thread in which you stand up for Tmac with a passion though. Way to go. I give credit when it's due
Alright pimp,let's make a bet to the tipjar. 2-1 odds.. my 100 against your 200.I say Miami wins the whole thing.How about it?
When did I compare Yao with Ben? You said come out to help is not defense, I just stated that's what Wallace does best, and now you try to shift the topic to Yao and Ben debate? You need a logic lesson. Shaq doesn't try to play defense, even when he was with Lakers the last couple years, ask die hard Laker fans and they will tell you that. That's not bash, that's a fact, you won't know it because I seriously doubt you watch games like you said. 1st team is not a two month streak, but Yao played better than Shaq this season overall. One season is enough for 1 year's 1st team, anything wrong with that?
How can you claim youself knowlegable for the game when you don't understand NBA 1st team is for regular season, not for playoffs?
shaq sucks this year but he got first team?! wtf?! sure he was the most dominating player, but that was the past. his game has been down. here is my first team: nash kobe yao brand nowitzki
LOL, your examples are just ridiculous. Oh, so Swift dunked on Yao? How embarrassing! Man, we've seen firsthand that dunking is Swift's bread and butter, and pretty much the only thing he can do well. He's a top 3 dunking big man in the league. No shame in getting dunked on by him. Now if it were Brian Cardinal... And he can't stop Tony Parker, one of the quickest guards in the league who has mastered various forms of tear drop shots? He shot 55% on the freakin season, obviously everyone had some trouble stopping him. I agree that Yao has room for improvement on defense, and it's basically just figuring out what the refs will let him do when players barrell towards him. He tried taking charges, he never got the call. He's tried standing there with his hands up, and they still called fouls on him. He's tried jumping straight up, and he still gets fouls. Every time he gets a foul, we, along with Bill Worrell and Clyde, suggest that he try a different option. When he does, he still gets a foul, and we say to try a different way. This season, he basically said screw it and started putting up less resistance so he could stay on the floor and give his team a chance. Another thing I don't get is this: if Yao is such a sub-par defender, then how do we always statistically rank among the best defensive teams in the league? Is it Juwan Howard watching Yao's back? Rafer shutting down the point guards? Our undersized two-guards? Bowen? Someone is anchoring the defense for us, clogging the paint and changing shots. Sure, sometimes he looks bad, and I myself wonder how he doesn't come up with a block on some plays, but he is definately a deterrent out there.
The All-NBA award is supposed to be for individual performance, not for team performance. But I've heard this argument so much and it's taken so much hold of the voters I must concede they have a point. After all, they didn't even put KG on any of the teams and put AI on third team with Yao, and I think most would say KG and AI are top 10 in the NBA. And RocketsMac, if all you watch is a highlight reel of Yao getting dunked on, you are watching a very biased and inaccurate image. I could put together a highlight reel of Yao rejecting the same people who dunked on him in those highlights (Swift, Amare, Shaq, et al) and it would look equally impressive.
Maybe they should start voting for these teams so that they are announced at the END of the season instead of half way through the playoffs, i think the voters will be less influenced this way.
Not really. They both had an identical rebouding rate this season, and Shaq's defense was pretty dismal. Whether it was from a lack of effort or not, it has still been poor in the playoffs. Better winner is irrevelant when you compare the teammates Shaq had in Miami versus Yao. Passing I would still give the edge to Shaq, although a guy like Adelman could exploit Yao's ability. Win-Loss affects the media's decision too much IMO, comes from a result of not watching teams that aren't in the top 10. Wallace opposing center eFG%: 48% (Playing alongside Rasheed, McDyess) O'Neal opposing center eFG%: 48% Yao opposing center eFG%: 46% (No defensive help from the 4) Some people don't realize how effective Yao is defensively in the paint, just based on his size. Very hard to shoot over him.
Shaq recieved this award based on his teams record and league reputation. Its easy for us to forget that a lot of Shaqs rep is based on his performance before the rule changes. There are more factors to shaqs sharp decline than just father time. As far as Ben Wallace is concerned, LMFAO!!!! The people that voted him over Yao must be sniffing the same smelling salts that they gave Ben after Yao laid him out earlier this year on a baseline spin move on which his elbow just happened to catch the side of Bens head. By the way did anyone happen to read into the GM poll this year that had Yao picked as a top five most coveted player in the league, and I do not think that is based purely on age and durability. One more year clutchfans, one more year till our pivot gets his dues.
It is true that the all NBA team selections are individual awards. However, just like the MVP voting, you have to take team records into consideration. I'm sure that had the Rockets made the playoffs and Yao had the type of season he had, he would have been on the all-NBA first team. However, since the Rockets finished with one of the worst records in the league this year, I have no problems with Yao Ming on the thrid all NBA team. T-Mac didn't even sniff the thrid team. Who would have thought that before the season? Overall this has just been a disastrous season for the Rockets. Let's hope that we can turn things around next year. And watching the Mavs-Spurs series on TV these days, I think that Rockets have a lot to do to change their status as the worst team in Texas.
I wouldn't be surprised if Chronz and RocketsMac is the same person Yao must have done something to him, like taking his spot at the local parking lot or refusing to pair up with his favourite actor Christ Tucker in Rush Hour 3 This is assuming he is old enough to drive of course. -G'day-
Just win, baby! Look, the formula to figure out who's on the All-NBA first team is not complicated. It's not about who's had the most successful season, who's put up the best stats, who makes their team the best, or who's perservered despite bad teammates; it's all about who's having an exceptional season on a winning team. This isn't the MVP, where the voters have been dogged in spreading the award around over the years (excepting this one); if your team isn't at least in the playoffs, don't even bother thinking about the first team. Look, we here all know that Yao emerged as a dominant force in the middle this season, but numbers on a losing team mean squat in terms of this award. Excepting the 30 first place votes Yao Ming got (and if he had made the first team, I would have been shocked; the last time a player who hadn't made the playoffs was named to the first team was in 1978, when New Orleans Jazz player Leonard "Truck" Robinson made his one and only appearance on any All-NBA team with a 39-43 showing; his teammate Pistol Pete Maravich also was a frequenter of the losers on the first team earlier in the decade). I'm not a Yao hater, in fact, I love watching him play, but realistically, he didn't have an All-NBA first team year. Take solace in the fact that he made every single ballot except for 1; 30 firsts, 8 seconds, and 87 3rds, getting on 125 of 126 ballots despite the losing season, and that the one guy who didn't vote for him was probably Ron Boone, the Jazz broadcaster who also gave Deron Williams his lone first place vote in the Rookie of the Year race, and probably gave Mehmet Okur the nod over Yao Ming here. Rockets fans should also soothe their angry souls by taking a look at Shaquille O'Neal's 1997 season, in which he finished behind Hakeem Olajuwon and Patrick Ewing, when he played only 51 games, yet was better than the two centers ahead of him in points, rebounds, assists and blocked shots per game, while also out shooting the duo from the field. When he came back in 1998? First team All NBA, and a trip to the conference finals at 25. For once, I really want Yao to be like Shaq. Really.
