1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

WTF Rafer???

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by FLASH21, May 26, 2009.

Tags:
  1. Scarface281

    Scarface281 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2009
    Messages:
    8,513
    Likes Received:
    3,129
    Good stuff Rafer.
     
  2. BetterThanEver

    BetterThanEver Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    9,931
    Likes Received:
    189
    He's consistently missing. He is missing 61.4% of shots.
     
  3. n-gauge

    n-gauge Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2006
    Messages:
    16
    Likes Received:
    0
    To all the Skip 2 my Lou HATERS.....right now Rafer is telling all the Rockets fans that wanted him out of Houstan AND the Rockets "Tell me how my A** taste" with this perfomance in the ECF with HIS TEAM 2 games out of the NBA Finals......I really hope he gets there and prove everbody wrong!!!!!
     
  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    37,717
    Likes Received:
    18,919
    watching Rafer play with Orlando...the one thing that goes through my mind...


    Thank god he's no longer a Rocket.
     
  5. WhoMikeJames

    WhoMikeJames Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2005
    Messages:
    12,691
    Likes Received:
    306
    FLASH21, are you being serious? Rafer has had streaky games like this all the time. It's just Rafer being Rafer. He'll go 3-14 the next game.

    But still... He's having a really good game tonight. :mad:
     
  6. BrooksBall

    BrooksBall Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2007
    Messages:
    20,568
    Likes Received:
    256
    Coming into this game, he was shooting 11-for-30 in this series including a complete Derek Fisher-esque stinker in Game 2. I'd say it has more to do with the team he plays for than anything he's done as an individual. Anthony Johnson has outplayed him on a number of occasions. Crediting the Magic's success to Rafer is like blaming McGrady for every single postseason failure in his career. It's a team sport in both cases. The McGrady argument actually has slighlty more significance since he has usually been the go to player on his teams. Rafer is the 5th option in that starting lineup. Howard, Hedo and Lewis are the ones carrying the weight. If anything, Rafer has helped seal a hole with Jameer out of action. With Jameer, the Magic would be much more dangerous.

    As far as this individual performance, Rafer bricked a 3 in off the backboard then barely grazed the rim on his next shot. Every dog has his day. Rafer's numbers in this series and while with the Magic, in general, are right in line with his career norms. His success has everything to do with his teammates and little to do with him. He is a serviceable replacement and that is all.
     
  7. Vinsanity

    Vinsanity Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2009
    Messages:
    1,522
    Likes Received:
    42
    The thing that killed us in the Laker's series was turnovers. Rafer takes care of the ball and I would have loved to have him during that series. I think we made a mistake with that trade.
     
  8. Vinsanity

    Vinsanity Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2009
    Messages:
    1,522
    Likes Received:
    42
    3-14 is fine as long as he doesn't turn the ball over half as much as Brooks.
     
  9. redao

    redao Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    3,819
    Likes Received:
    58
    Rafer's team can overcome Raferness and his 38% shooting. Kudos to those guys. Howard is the best center. no one else comes close.
     
  10. thacabbage

    thacabbage Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    6,993
    Likes Received:
    144
    good grief. dude's unconscious right now.
     
  11. dayao

    dayao Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    130
    Likes Received:
    0
    26 till now in playoff series.
     
  12. t_mac1

    t_mac1 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2008
    Messages:
    26,614
    Likes Received:
    211
    why can't rafer have a game like this for us in the playoffs? WHY RAFER WHY?
     
  13. redao

    redao Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    3,819
    Likes Received:
    58
    Any PG playing for Rockets has to be a shooter first because Rockets has no offensive weapons.

    Rafer, is not a good shooter. Thus he is not a good PG for Rockets.
     
  14. DrNuegebauer

    DrNuegebauer Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2000
    Messages:
    11,974
    Likes Received:
    8,589
    Rafer Alston
    2007-2008 playoffs:
    @ Utah 8-14FG, 4-8 3G, 5 assists, 1to, 20 points.
    Houston wins 94-92

    vUtah (at home) 5-9FG, 4-7 3G, 6assists, 1to, 2 steals, 14 points.
    Houston wins 95-69

    Not QUITE as good - but pretty good games for us nonetheless.
    I'm glad Rafer and his incosistent shot is gone, but we would've advanced out of the first round last season if he'd played all the playoff games.
     
  15. t_mac1

    t_mac1 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2008
    Messages:
    26,614
    Likes Received:
    211
    i do agree that we would have won if rafer played all of last series v. utah.

    but man, 15 points in a quarter where the magic desperately needed points, and was ON FIRE??? he's their best player right now.
     
  16. Rocket_Man_2.0

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2007
    Messages:
    6,726
    Likes Received:
    1,691
    If Rockets had Rafer instead of Lowry during Lakers series...I guarantee we would have gotten past the Lakers..TURNOVERS & POOR BALL MOVEMENT KILLED US....look how Rafer is finding the open man...Brooks is good..but his passing & decision making is poor..Lowry gave us nothing versus the Lakers...Brooks & Rafer would've been a killer combo vs Lakers..o well...watch the game makse me miss him even more...look how fast Orlando get into their offensive...Rafer is pushing the ball up quickly and Magic are getting easy shots...this just goes to show...Experience does matter..
     
  17. BrooksBall

    BrooksBall Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2007
    Messages:
    20,568
    Likes Received:
    256
    The TO problem with Brooks is a huge exaggeration. At least in terms of true TOs.

    Brooks = 1.56 TO over 25 mpg this season (right on par with his career)
    Alston = 1.83 TO over 33.1 mpg as a Rocket season (right on par with his career)

    Per 48 min, Brooks actually turns the ball over less than Lowry, Kidd, Rose and many others. He's only slightly worse than Rafer.

    Turnovers per 48 minutes 08-09

    You'll also notice that the elite PGs tend to turn the ball over a lot. Among the most turnover prone PGs are Paul, Williams, Nash and Parker.

    I'm not saying Brooks doesn't make a lot of bad decisions are that he is good at running a team but he is not nearly as turnover prone as a lot of people say. Of course, if you consider bad possessions that result from his poor decision-making, he does effectively have more TOs than the standard numbers will show.
     
  18. lastmanstanding

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    973
    Likes Received:
    3
    These guarantees on things we can't test mean nothing.
    Ball movement would've improved but we still lacked offense in the Lakers series so Rafer and his one good game every 4 games wouldn't cut it.
     
  19. Rocket_Man_2.0

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2007
    Messages:
    6,726
    Likes Received:
    1,691
    Some people feel we were better without Rafer..I actually thing we were worse...ever since Rafer left we had trouble getting the ball the Yao...and the offense would get stagnet with alot of dribbling...Rafers leadership was sorely missed...even when Yao went down I feel we would have benifted from having Rafer..he succeeds in a free flowing up and down offense..
     
  20. RV6

    RV6 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2008
    Messages:
    25,522
    Likes Received:
    1,109
    Fixed.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now