What Would You Be Willing to Give up to Get Mobley?

Disregard the counting stats if you must.

But the efficiency and defense translates.

 

Green and this year's pick with no protection.

 

Sexton got hurt. So it's up to Garland. Rubio and Okoro to get others open

 

Sorry, but this sounds much too nuanced. I prefer to watch highlights and frankly usually just look at box scores to form the opinions I come prepared to shout at others on the internet.

If Jalen goes 3/14 on a night that I also happen to see Mobley had 17 pts and 10 rebounds, I think it’s pretty obvious who will have the better career…

 

Whoa!!!

 

So here is the thing.

I'm a Mobley guy, I was team-mobley with other guys, felt like we were few but I liked the company.

What Mobley (and Barnes) are right now, they are at least key players. Thisis how I look at it. How would Mobley fit on a playoff team, talking a top 4 team here. I think he'd start. I mean he'd absolutely start for some of those teams. Nets, 6ers, Bucks, Clippers, I mean he'd start fo A LOT of teams today.

Can't say that about Green. If you take away his #2 pick status he'd be a bench player that comes in getting 12 or so minutes. The kind of offensive guy you see if he's hot and if he's not, back to the bench. Basically Gerald Green. Let's be real, if it weren't for his name he wouldn't get the benefit of the doubt, he'd be buried on the bench most games.

That's what these guys are right now, today.

but...this is a big but. Mobley doesn't have to get better. I mean, he could get content with what he is, never really improve, and just remain what he is. Would he then be worth it? This happens to A LOT of rookies. Look at every draft class you'll see guys that basically show all they had their first 2 or so seasons and never improve. They either can't, not good enough, or are content. I mean Mobley can make millions on what he does now. What he does now is good enough to be a fringe all-star player. If I were him tbh I'd probably coast and enjoy the NBA life...that's just me though. I'd be like man I average 15-10 with 2 blocks, that's good enough. Tmac even admitted that he was guilty for this, thinking he was good enough, never reaching that final level...

I guess my point is this, as i do tend to ramble...as good as Mobley and Bares are now nothing says that they will improve. The idea that "He's young so he's bound to get better," just isn't always the case. See Wiggins, see KAT, see Simmons, see Rose, see Gobert, see a bunch of players. That list is long and is added on to annually.

So, for the Green gang, realize it's not about what he is now. It's about the growth. Guys like Harden and Giannis and Kobe and Curry...they weren't always good. They got that way through hard work, getting better every year, improving.

Right now, Green's floor is very low. If he never gets better you can say he'd be a bust...and that's possible, time will tell...but I do think it's way too early to start acting like Mobley will be this all-time great and Green is stuck being a streaky no defense chucker. We have Green. He's super young. Let's at least see where he's at next year? At least?

As for Mobley (and Barnes) What he's doing is amazing though and as I've always said, he's useful on any team right now. This guy might not start for every team but he's playing a key role on any team because of his defensive versatility and that he's not a complete scrub on offense...but long term consistency and improvement, that's what makes great players. Some players have REALLY good stints for a year or two. I mean we know ALL about that with guys like Lin and Parsons.

Harden wasn't who he was because he had one great season...it was because he had multiple great seasons back after back after back.

 

Mobley's a good 30lbs heavier than Chet I believe, at 7ft that's a difference. I'm in the camp who thought Mobley would be too thin, I was wrong. I really don't think you can use him as an example for Chet though, Holmgren's closer to Green in weight than Mobley...

 

This is kinda what I said before the draft. I said Mobley would average
probably 19 points a game his rookie year just like Ralph Sampson but
then tail off to average 16 points per game for his career. Injuries and
teams game planning against him better his second season and beyond.

Mobley basically is getting points by way of transition, put backs, spot Ups.
I checked last night in play types on NBA.com and neither Mobley nor
Scottie Barnes show up on stats other than accessory parts. Practically
nothing that registers as a facilitator.

But Cavs are using Mobley as I would in Houston....as a Small Forward. He
will sustain more injuries as a PF and forget about Center full time. So I
had him starting over Kenyon/Tate/House and a backup to Wood at PF.
Wood at Center would have Wood injured the whole time and then we
would have to slide Mobley from PF to Center and yes.....he would get
abused.

But the defense of both Barnes and Mobley gets them on the court.

Green is starting just like a Kobe or MJ at 19. I would still take Green
in a heartbeat. I've said before, you don't draft players on what they
are now; but what they will be later. MJ spent about 3 year in college
before entering the NBA. Got to learn from Dean Smith. Kobe started
6 games his rookie year and then one game his second year at age 19.
Green is still on the trajectory as MJ/Kobe....will gain muscle as they did.
Kobe talked about taking tap dancing lessons to make his feet faster.
Green doesn't need to make his feet faster. Green just needs to put
on about 10 pounds of muscle to absorb contact and then finish.
Helps with defense.

 

But watching the games actually shows HOW he gets those counting stars. Ex: Are those counting stats superior because he has competent guards and a competent system that gives him easy looks?

Usually when the Rockets score, it's one of our guys making some difficult contested move.

 

TLDR version:
Mobley has high floor. Green has low floor. Both have high ceiling. The question is, who will reach his ceiling?

 

He’s 10-15 lbs heavier. Same type of frame. Chet has a much more tough disposition as well.

 

Funniest part of all this is there's a good chance by the time these players are in their second contract Mobley fans will likely need a player like Green and Green fans will likely need a player like Mobley

 

Why not trade for Bol Bol who is frustrated on Denver’s Bench? He’s got a lot of size, skill, upside & won’t nearly that expensive

 

Because Bol Bol and Mobley are VERY different players.

 

The last I heard Holmgren was 205 lbs, he had gained 10 lbs since he was weighed at the end of his high school career. Mobley was approximately 210 lbs at the same time. So there is a little difference but not a lot. Holmgren is even more of a guard and more perimeter oriented than Mobley.

Both need to add lean muscle mass and will.... but I don't think muscle is going to be the problem for either of them, it will be avoiding injury. The modern NBA doesn't allow hand checking and physical contact like it used to so strength other than incidental contact finishing on penetration, doesn't matter as much.

 

The saving grace is this year's class has top tier big men. Might be nice to pair Green with one of them.

But damn...Mobley is so good. Will be a top big men for years. Green's got a high bar to clear.

 

I'm not even worried about him clearing that bar, I don't think it's fair to expect him to be better than Mobley, I just want Green to one day morph into a quality player. That's all I'm looking for.

Since he's not any good this year, it actually helps the team because it is likely to lead to another top 4 pick giving the Rockets another chance to draft a franchise quality player. If we get that franchise quality player in next year's draft and Green eventually becomes a quality player, that's best case scenario for us right now.

 

Mobley would have looked bad on this team as well. This squad is too poorly coached, constructed and inexperienced to have any rookie come in and shine.

Oh yeah - Mobley didnt want to be here. Just force him to be happy right?

 

Good players look good, Mobley would have been just fine here. Excuses wouldn't be needed.





In fact, excuses aren't needed for the youngest player on the team who is a big man, that kind of proves that excuses wouldn't be needed for an even better big man rookie if they went that direction.

 

It really is interesting how bad Suggs, Cade, and Jalen have all been so far this year. Cade is actually the worst of the three, on a per minute basis. The graph doesn't look as bad for him because he hasn't played as many minutes.