What Would You Be Willing to Give up to Get Mobley?

oh you didn't tell me the trade included Allen and Garland, the actual core that is contributing to winning in Cleveland.

 

I wouldn't trade Green for Mobley straight-up at this point. Period. You're crazy.

 

I disagree. I think FOs aren’t as short-sighted as fans, who latched on to some early success and now are too stubborn to admit their mistake.

 

You know, it amazes me that many fans, but especially Rockets fans, are still overrating Mobley. How is that still a thing? It should be apparent by now that Mobley has excelled because he was inserted into a great team. Allen complements him well on defense and Garland does the heavy offensive lifting. Without either, Mobley's game falls off a cliff. Green, on the other hand, has only excelled more now that the Rockets are resting their vets.

The funniest part to me is the overlap between Mobley homers and the anti-Wood squad, who often claim that Wood would be best as a third option on a good team. Obviously they are very different players, but to me, it's becoming apparent that Mobley is a great third option who would be far, far less effective as "the man." Green, on the other hand, seems to rise higher than more weight you put on his shoulders.

 

Remember, in this day and age, centers have it the easiest to transition to the league. All they have to do is run and dunk and they can make an impact. Does this mean that Mobley won't improve? No, but it means that he already came in into a better situation, while also being asked to just run and dunk, so it was expected that he would make the best impact initially.

In terms of learning curve, guards have much more to get used to. That's why maybe Suggs is not a bust, he's a PG. Green had to figure things out. Barnes is somewhere in the middle. He too was put into a great situation. What Cade is doing as a PG is impressive, he has that feel for the game and high BBIQ. But he also has limited athleticism so I have my doubts on whether he can truly be a top 5 player. We'll see.

 

A couple months back I'd be shocked if they picked Green also. The improvement he has made in the last two months has been leaps and bounds. They should redo the survey now. His name will be up there. Not to mention the Rockets finally increased his usage.

 

In this perimeter orientated league, I’m sure there are plenty of front offices that would still pick Green.

 

Months ago:

- Green looked like a bust

- Mobley didn’t have to shoulder the load, which showed his true value

 

Do you think if you ran the same poll, but this time based on post all star play that the results would vary? I think Mobley is a hell of a player, but he has yet to show that he can be a #1 option on a consistent basis enough to support the "build around him" claims - for me at least. He has a broken 3 point shot and even his free throw shooting leaves a lot to be desired. Undeniably he is a difference maker on defense and plays a great complimentary role within the arc on offense.

Maybe next year they will move more of the offense through Mobley and give him a chance to put all of his potential to work. I do think he's pigeon holed a little bit on that roster, but he's on a team of good vets. I also highly doubt that if he played here he would be achieving the same developmental milestones. Dont forget how flawed and systematically BAD this team was to start the year. Jalen was tossed into the fire and he came out hardened IMO because of how much tenacity and grit he had to focus and rise to each moment good or bad - when you're labeled "the worst player in the NBA" you only have one way to go.

Not to say Mobley couldn't carry a team, but I've only seen that from him a few times this year. Not his fault that his team has other great players and there is a totem, but the cream should always rise and if he is a generational talent then he will start to demand the ball and fulfil loftier expectations than "glue guy" especially when people say they would build around him from what they've seen. Just seems as if its building more on the continued potential vs the actuality of his role and output for his team. I have no problem saying that based on POTENTIAL that he could be a franchise #1 option for a team. Will it be Cleveland?

Jalen was drafted to be the face of the franchise and no doubt #1 - there was a difficult learning curve to start the year, but even to the casual fan he's shown that not only does he belong, but he is everything that he was made out to be and then some. His abysmal start and questionable peripheral players will always make his stats look bad and sway some perspective. Mobley is going to be a dynamite player - I dont doubt it. Im eagerly anticipating seeing more from him next year and hoping he takes on a bigger role. I feel happy and relieved as a Rocket fan with Jalen Green. Future is in good hands.

 

Green and our FRP this year.

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April Fools

 

Mobley is going to be a stud. I felt that way the closer we got to draft day and said as much. Same for Scottie Barnes. If we are being honest, both those guys and Cade Cunningham have a chance to have better careers than Jalen Green. That's just being objective. That being said, I also believe that Jalen Green has a chance to be the best player in this draft. He has an IT factor to him that is second to none in this class. We just have to let this play out and it is going to take several years. I will also say that having a Trae Young instead of a Luka Doncic is still a win. They can all be great players. There is nothing wrong with Jalen Green being great and Evan Mobley also being great.

My only issue is that Mobley was being overhyped. Nobody that averages 15 points and 8 rebounds should be referred to as a future generational player before proving it. Say he has the potential to be one. Marvin Bagley III put up better numbers as a rookie and yes I know Mobley is a better defensive player, but to truly be a generational player, his offense still has a long way to go.

Just like people getting mad at the Jalen and Kobe comparisons. I understood that. It's a lot to put on a young player just entering the NBA, but it was odd to me that the people hyping Evan also pushed back on the notion that Green could one day be a great player on par with some of the all-time greats. Both statements are similar projections.

Now Rockets, Pistons, and Raptors fans are all dumping on Evan Mobley because he was crowned way too early.

 

Hes gonna be a great player, we can all agree. But if us that wanted Green over Mobley was the fact that it's a perimeter game now. Anthony Davis is pretty much useless without Lebron. Swing for the fences. If Jalen keeps on this trajectory no one will be complaining about us drafting him as his impact will be better than Mobley.


As great as Embid and Jokic are playing this year is anyone picking those team to win it all. The one exception is if Mobley bulks up and handles like Giannis. Giannis is a big that plays from the perimeter. Can Mobley do that?

 

Mobley would be a great player to pair with our core.

2022 first+Bucks pick.

 

There's nothing I would give up and conversely nothing the Cavs would accept for a Mobley trade so it's a moot point.

I think Barnes has the highest, realistic upside of any player in this draft; able to create his own shot, able to score , able to defend multiple positions at a high level. I don't see Mobley becoming the same level of playmaker or see Green being able to defend multiple positions at a high level.

 

Ask me in 3 years…. I think we will have a better picture of Mobley or Green both will be. I was in the camp of wanting to draft Green because in the long term, I thought he will have the highest ceiling.