What Would You Be Willing to Give up to Get Mobley?

Mobley would be a stud glue guy on the Rockets but is currently a stud, super glue guy on the Cavs where he can be a weak side havoc using his length, speed, and IQ.

 

Silas would have benched him and reduced his minutes until he gains more stamina and become stronger to prevent big man injuries and ease him up into nba

 

Your post essentially says we just know nothing. You basically say maybe Mobley will have bad knees and be done in 8 years while JG enters his prime. Um, yeah maybe? Same case could be made in reverse.

That opinion is fine but if we are trying to assess max potential based on the 10-12 games we have seen (barring injury and completely unforeseen circumstances), then Mobley's potential THUS FAR dwarfs Jalens. Yes, this could change but its the assumption we can come to based on information at hand.

 

Not to mention Jalen was ranked #1 by ESPN100 (Cade next, then Mobley) before the G-League/College. Did they know Rockets were going to pick him?

 

Mobley’s great. Green’s going to be great. Go ahead and throw in the towel a month into year one. That’s a comically terrible idea regardless of what happens.

 

Exactly this

 

Ok. I've seen this enough to want to know the context is

 

Green's potential hasn't changed in 10 games. He could still be the players he projected to be or better.

Put it this way.

If you had to make a decision on 10 games would you do it or would you wait? It's fun to take these 10 games and say how we feel but we should not be making any definitive statements like Mobley can be MVP level while Green can only be all-star.

Green's potential hasn't changed because Mobley started off hot. He lets a little stronger and shoots better and he's easily dropping 25+ a night.

This is what I meant when I said Green's biggest issue is Mobley playing well. If Mobley were not playing well people would be more patient but since he is people are looking at Green going "Well? Do something."

But as I believe @steddinotayto (or someone else?) posted, when compared to other rookies at his position...Green is doing just fine.

On the other side, Mobley is doing good, but he's not generational yet. I think it would not be wise to assume he makes that generational leap or elite MVP player leap. My point is what he is now doesn't mean he has to get better.

 

There is a distinction between big board and mock draft. Green was mocked to #2 after it was leaked that the Rockets loved him and that Mobley's camp didn't want Mobley to work out for Houston. Mobley not working out could be a situation with Rockets telling everyone that they have settled on Green like how Pistons decided on Cade really early on.

Mobley was indeed the #2 prospect on most big boards prior to the draft.

However an important note is that there was divergent opinion on Mobley/Cade this year. There was a small subset of analysts on the internet (most notably Dean) and most analytics based draft boards had Mobley at #1 by far. Cade was pretty low in the 4-8 range if you want to construct a big board based on college stats.

If we followed narratives (maybe smokescreen) being leaked by the NBA media, Cade was the best prospect. Mobley, Green, etc were in a similar tier. In that respect, Fertitta didn't really screw the pooch. Of course in hindsight after a summer league + 10 games or so, we now see that the analytics rankings were more correct this year. Mobley is generational, Cade is a minus athlete forward without PG skills, and Green is just a hyperathletic SG with wildly inconsistent shooting.

 

LOL

Just admit you were wrong.

 

I aggree all of your points all i was saying at that post was basketball is a team game and cavs are not just mobley right now. Moving mobley here even for free won't change anything. But we need a pass first , high iq playmaker who can open the game for team when it stuck. We are trying to do it with apachee warriors who take ball and just attack the rim.

 

but this is clearly wrong cause Green or Mobley they want to move on from Wall and see KPJ as the future.

then there’s the question of whether the above roster you lay out is “too good”… which is less of an issue (though still one) for Cleveland cause Mobley is likely the last of the you g guys they’re going to add. They got Sexton, Garland, Okoro and Allen by trade before adding Mobley. Sexton bro g their first high pick in the process now in his fourth year.

None of that negates the fact that you want the star player of the draft every time you draft. And you never know who you can pick up later in the lotto or even outside of it so you shouldn’t aim for guy who will suck at first but be a stud in 3-4 years so you can have high picks multiple times…

As of now, clearly Mobley then Barnes are 1, 2 in this draft.

but it would be interesting to see where the Rockets and Mobley would be if they drafted him. They’d be better for sure. A .500 team? Probably not but who knows. A playoff team? Almost certainly not but we’re likely talking about. A 7-12 pick vs a top 4 pick in the upcoming draft.

as I’ve said in this thread… I’m less upset that Mobley seems so good and so far more upset that Jalen seems so bad. Because I’m fine with a guy that needs more time, heck it’s almost preferred. I want to win rings and to do that you need lots of top tier talent so give me Chet, Paolo, Jabari or whomever PLUS another high pick the next year (see Cavs who had that… PLUS another high pick the year after that to get Mobley). Just Jalen so far seems like not only does he need more time, he needs A LOT more time and even then his upside might not be superstar.

but it’s early… and a lot of this ultimately comes down to him getting stronger and hitting shots both of which seems possible.

 

Tilman is a POS. But he's too convenient for some people to be the universal scapegoat for everything bad about the Rockets.

You don't have to do any analysis or give any evidence. Just say, "The owner is ultimately responsible for all decisions" and you're good.

 

To be fair, I went to 2 games this year and both times they didn't even have ketchup for my hot dog. That's criminally cheap.

 

About what exactly? I'm pretty sure I've said Mobley looks better Green and that I was wrong about Mobley translating. But I also said if Mobley was going to translate then it would be as an oversized wing on the weak side and voila....

You going to admit you're wrong about Aaron Gordon and Simmons? ....no? Going to post some tweets instead? Well I guess that's the difference.

 

lol if only they were attacking rim more

 

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