U.S. Senate GOP throws USA under bus and aligns with Iran

I don't think your opinion is a of what is "significant."

 

So you're actually privy to what the Iranian internal view is too?

Consider that the sanctions are taking a huge toll on Iran and that Iran knows that if even if they had nukes that Israel has them and could nuke them while the US could nuke them a hundred times over. Sanctions are a huge issue to the survival of Iran and the threat of nukes is leverage to possible get those lifted.

This also goes to a basic point of diplomacy. You negotiate with your enemies not your friends.


But since you seem to know so much about what the Iranians are actually thinking what is your answer? War?

 

This manufactured media circus was a lot of fun for 8 seconds, but if you really want to amuse yourself just visualize a letter written by people like John McCain and Sarah Palin going to Rouhani and Zarif. That's comedy gold. Netenyahu is laughing his ass off right about now.

 

Yes. They tell us. They want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

 

The constitution empowers the executive to negotiate foreign policy. While the Senate has advice and consent that doesn't mean that they are empowered to negotiate.

 

True they probably would like to and many American politicians frequently say they would like to see an end to the Iranian regime too. The truth is that Iran can't wipe Israel off the map. Even with nukes the most they could hope for is mutual destruction. At the same time the US can't end the Iranian regime short of war.

You seem caught up in rhetoric without understanding what the capabilities are or even the principle that you negotiate with your enemies when victory is unclear or very costly.

 

So...instead of using negotiation to try to soften a hard-line stance, you'd rather just take an equally hard-line stance? Are you begging for another war?

This GOTP seems to want war. There is no other explanation.

 

Also I find it interesting when you say you can't believe what the Iranians say yet take their rhetoric at face value.

 

that is not an equivalent. The fact that you think it is means you either don't understand Iran or are morally bankrupt. I'll give you a hint, Iran does not just want to remove the Israeli government.

That is a false choice.

 

I don't know if they do, lack the possibility to see other options, or are so caught up in hatred of Obama that they don't care what the implications are.

 

No it means that you have completely bought into Iranian rhetoric without considering what their capabilities or situation is.

Anyway you still haven't presented any alternative to the situation.

 

IRan is just the JV team right...............?

please point me to my post you are referring to.

 

Compared to the US and Israel yes. Or do you think Iran really is militarily capable of wiping Israel off the map?

Consider this too. NK frequently says it wants to destroy SK, Japan and the US. NK actually has nukes but in 60 years they haven't actually tried to do so. What makes you think that Iran is somehow more likely than NK to carry out its hardline rhetoric.?

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Refusing even the idea of negotiation is pretty god damned hard-line...

 

It's a whole new thread but I really think the GOP is caught up in this for two reasons: gotta feed the military industrial beast and religious fanaticism. It's the whole end of times ****. They DO want war.

 

Does it matter? why negotiate with such a group? Lets say its a 1% chance they can sneak a nuke into Israel; why even given them the opportunity?

it doesn't mean war as you say.

 

"in this episode of MIDDLE EAST, Israel's ability to nuke people causes no consternation because the Mossad prefers to create droughts and assassinate scientists. It shows the difference between rhetoric and action which is why Iran should be treated like a silly baby. There's only ONE regional power, and ONE nuclear power in the Middle East allowed at a time"

I cannot believe how bought and paid for Congress is when it comes to a regional conflict. astounding.

the fact that Congressmen don't know the laws they're supposed to enforce doesn't surprise me as much though.

 

I see liberals on twitter mocking Cotton and the 46 senators who followed him into this mess, but I take no pleasure in seeing this. To have the foreign minister of Iran smugly correct 47 of our American senators on international and constitutional law is a global embarrassment. It doesn't just reflect poorly on the GOP, it makes the entire country look bad.

Where are the adults of the Republican party? A Richard Lugar, a Pete Domenici, a James Baker, an Alan Simpson, a Bob Dole, etc. ? Where did these new Republicans come from? It's like Youtube commenters threw their names in a hat and won a job in Washington.

I'm glad that Republican Senators Lisa Murkowski, Jeff Flake, Dan Coats , Susan Collins, Tad Cochran, Lamar Alexander, and Bob Corker had the intelligence and maturity not to sign that letter, but they need to be at the front of their party. It's like the kids locked the adults out of the house and started melting crayons in the oven and feeding the pot roast to the dog.