I look at Ike a little different than u probably. When he's healthy, he's a pretty good player. He's in the same mold, undersized atheletic with a soft shooting touch. He actually has a pretty good back to the basket game. He's also a really good ft shooter for a rugged guy like that. A trade like that really is killing 2 bird with 1 stone. If they get Outlaw and Ike for shane, then u offer posey or smith the mle as the 2/3 backup. Now u cooking with gas.
OK im new as far as starting threads go so instead I'll just throw this out there in this existing random trade thread. Its not a trade but more of a free agent signing possibility. Monta Ellis is a Free Agent and a name that kinda flies under the radar a little bit. Here is his numbers from last year. He could be a Great third scoring option!! 2007-08 Statistics PPG 20.2 RPG 5.00 APG 3.9 EFF + 20.51 I would love to see this guy in a Rockets uniform. Does anyone know what kind of money he is looking for? Maybe MLE kind of money? If we signed Monta Ellis, that would make Brooks expendable. Knowing that, we could definitely package Brooks/Battier/Head in a trade with Sacramento for Artest. What do yall think? That would make our starting 5 as follows, and a SCARY starting 5 that would be. Starting 5 Ellis - pg Tmac - sg Scola - pf Artest - sf Yao - c
Monta is a terrrific scorer,far better than Brooks. He is a RFA and wants a big contract.I'm quite sure he could end up with a similar deal like Maggette's 5 year 50M. He is a SG who can play some point.GS has been weakened with Baron's loss,Monta can't play at the 1 well enough as a starter.
Monta can certainly play at the 1....it just depends on what you expect from your PG...he is not going to be a pass first guy, but the pressure he puts on other team's PG's with his quickness and scoring ability make him just fine at the 1.... You would just need another player that can handle the ball at the SG or SF position to take some pressure off of him....... Many ways to skin a cat... DD
What?! The Rockets aren't going to trade both Yao and TMac and rebuild. Barry is going to be a backup player. He's mostly being counted on to come in off the bench and hit shots. Steve is way past his prime. There's no way he can lead this team anymore. He also needs to get back in shape. Last season he was overweight.
Okay I was just thinking about some of the rosters so far that are jam packed with PG's, with some that have starter qualities and I thought about the Knicks. I know they are a horrible team with really bad chemistry but I really think they have some talented players that need a change of scenery. What about a trade of Luther Head or a couple of palyers for the likes of a Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, you know young players with talent. I dont know what it would take but I would make that trade in a sec to get a young talented scoring PG out of a bad situation. Cause I think we need an all around squad that can score on their own instead of always leaning on Tmac and Yao for palymaking.
A few random trades: Minny sign and trades Ryan Gomes to Houston for Luther Head, Loren Woods, and a future 2nd. Why for Minny: Gomes is going to have a hard time finding playing time behind Jefferson/Miller/Brewer in the 3-4 position, they get Luther Head where they can use him as a combo guard behind Miller and Foye. Why for Houston: A little tweak on the Rockets' roster, Houston gets a versatile 2/3/4 that is going to back up Tracy/Battier that can score in bunches and lets Donte Greene to develop. Unrealistic deal between Houston/Dallas/Portland/Sacramento Houston trades: Shane Battier, Aaron Brooks, Steve Novak, 09 1st Houston recieves: Josh Howard, Sergio Rodriguez Portland trades: Martell Webster, Ike Diogu, 09 1st Portland recieves: Shane Battier Sacramento trades: Ron Artest Sacramento recieves: Martell Webster, Ike Diogu, Aaron Brooks, 09 1st from Houston Dallas trades: Josh Howard Dallas recieves: Ron Artest, Steve Novak, 09 1st from Portland
I don't think this one's been thrown out there yet. So, how about this one? Houston sends Battier to Chicago. Houston sends Head/Jackson/conditional #1 pick to Miami. Chicago sends Hinrich to Miami. Miami sends Marion to Houston. Houston gets that 3rd scoring threat Morey's mentioned getting. Chicago's been wanting to move Hinrich & gets one of the most fundamentally sound players in the NBA in Battier. He brings excellent defensive capabilities & can play the 2/3/4 positions. Miami finally gets their starting PG. They retain most of the cap flexibility Marion's expiring contract would've brought at the end of the year by receiving Head/Jackson's expiring contracts. They also pick up a conditional #1 pick as well.
per wiretap, Rockets planning on minor trade http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53582/20080714/rockets_planning_minor_trade/
Houston sends Battier to Chicago. Houston sends Head/Jackson/conditional #1 pick to Miami. Chicago sends Hinrich to Miami. Miami sends Marion to Houston. In the words of Jim Carrey " I like it, I like it a lot"
How about this one: HOUSTON/NEW YORK HOUSTON GETS: JAMAL CRAWFORD AND A 2ND ROUND PICK NEW YORK GETS: LUTHER HEAD AND BOBBY JACKSON We get a young PG with size and talent, take off close to a mill from the cap. And the Knicks get a couple more sorry a#$ players that will come off the books at the end of the year so they can keep rebuilding. Just a thought.
We should see about trading for an ANDRE MILLER, BEN GORDON, KIRK HINRICH, RAYMOND FELTON, JAMAL CRAWFORD,(As said above) ANTONIO DANIELS, KYLE LOWRY OR MAYBE A JAVARIS CRITTENTON. We have a couple picks to work with and maybe a few favors from the grizzlies to be payed for handing them Rudy Gay on a silver platter and it seems like they also have an open ear when it comes to us seeing that we have traded everything to and from them the past years and all the trade talks we have had so far this offseason. And I know the Sixers intend to keep Miller but it was just a suggestion.
I think the Rockets are looking more for a guy who can create for himself. Marion is almost strictly a finisher/spot up shooter. He also has a history of ego problems.
I haven't done one in a while so here goes... Portland receives Shane Battier (via Houston), Aaron Brooks (via Houston). New York receives Martell Webster (via Portland), Luther Head (via Houston), Chuck Hayes (via Houston). Houston receives Jamaal Crawford (via New York), and Steve Blake (via Portland). Portland might be interested because they have shown interest in both Battier and Brooks in the past. Webster might be too high a price, but with the of Bayless (replacing Blake) the Blazers may feel they have enough firepower in their starting lineup and would be better off with an elite defender at the SF position. New York might be interested because this move allows them to replace Jamal Crawford's 3 year deal, which runs past the '09-'10 off-season where they are hopeful to land LeBron, with 3 shorter contracts. However, they'll get 1 or 2 years (he has a player option) to look at Webster and decide if he's part of their future. Houston might be interested because they improve their PG situation immediately, rather than hoping that Brooks develops. Blake is not spectacular, but he started 78 games last year, shooting 40.6% from 3 and posting an assist to turnover ratio beyond 3.6 to 1. In Crawford they finally get another player who can create for himself and others. I'm well aware of the major knocks on him...A) He's a Knick, B) He's a Knick, and C) He shoots just barely over 40%. However, I think his FG% is effected by the style that the Knicks play. That is, very little ball movement, very little posting up to initiate the inside-out game, and a whole lot of 1 on 1. I truly believe that Jamal's FG% would rise in Houston where open shots would be plentiful. As for the rest of his game, he isn't a great defender, but he'll get steals. He also posts a nice 5 assists per game, with a solid 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio. His contract goes past the '09-'10 off-season, but so does Battier's, so no harm there in my opinion. He's also been pretty healthy throughout his career and as far as I know he hasn't had any attitude problems. Alston/Blake/Jackson Crawford/Barry/Francis McGrady/Greene/Harris Scola/Landry?/Novak Yao/Dikembe?/Dorsey I know a ton of people will be against giving up Battier and Brooks, but I think you have to give value to get value.
I really like this trade, but I would think NY want more value for Crawford tho. Also I haven't seen any Knicks games besides the when the Rockets play them, is he willing to not shoot as many shots with TMAC and Yao on the team?
Miami definitely rejects this deal, Hinrich has had a really bad year coming off getting a huge contract. I would think the Heat would rather risk have Marion walk for nothing and get the cap space rather then take back Hinrich's huge contract.
How about Head, Novak, and Harris to Denver for Chucky Atkins? Nice 3 for 1 trade for a $3.4 million expiring contract. Denver saves a little payroll. We bring in Atkins as a backup for Rafer provided Brooks doesn't improve. We can also trade his contract, plus BJax's, plus Francis', plus Hayes, plus future pick in a possible megadeal down at the trade deadline provided Dorsey becomes a player.
But Atkins is their only legitimate PG tho, since Karl didn't like AI playing as a point. Also this deal wouldn't really make us that much better, I would rather bring in a decent scorer to come off the bench rather then another PG.
Atkins......not Anthony Carter. Atkins played in 24 games last year for them. He's not a part of their plans. No, it won't necessarily make us any better. What it will do is preserve our expiring contracts. We will be able to add Atkins $3.4 million expiring to BJax's $6.09 million expiring, Francis' $2.46 million expiring, and Chuck Hayes' valuable $1.9 million contract in order to get back one big time player. If we move multiple guys for a trade exception or for other contracts that aren't expirings, we limit our salary flexibility.
