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The Summertime "Random Trade Idea" Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by thumbs, May 5, 2008.

  1. pbthunder

    pbthunder Member

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    This isn't how you figure BYC. If you have a BYC player, you count him as half his salary (or his previous salary, if it is more than half his new salary). Problem is, the other team counts him as the full salary. Taking your numbers for the 1st example, Chicago sees their players as 6.2 million. Houston's players, at 7.1 mil, is within the 125% plus $100K. However, looking at it from Houston's side, they have 7.1 mil, and they can only take back 8.975 mil. Chicago's players add up to 10.74 mil, which is too much. Can't do it.

    In the 2nd example, Chicago sees Gordon as $5 mil, and the two players combined as 6.7 mil. They can take back 8.475 mil. Houston sees Gordon as 10 mil. Houston's players add up to 8.05 mil, so at 125% plus $100K, they can take back up to 10.1625 million. Problem is, Chicago's players add up to 11.7 million. Again, they can't do it.

    BYC deals can be done between two teams, but not easily. It is usually easier to have 3 teams, as far as the numbers go.
     
  2. DVauthrin

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    I stand corrected, thank you for the explanation. Now, gordon's qualifying offer from the bulls is 6.4 mil, does the 20% work off that, or the 4.8 mil he made in 2007-2008, as far as making him a BYC player?
     
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    From the Salary Cap FAQ:
    I don't know enough about his particular case to
     
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    Sorry, I guess I wasn't finished editing. Anyhow, I believe Gordon is just coming off his rookie scale contract, and according to your numbers, he got a 33% raise. He will be BYC until 6/30/09, or he gets traded (he signed his new contract, right?). The salary used for comparison would be his previous salary, since it's more than half his new salary. Mathematically, this is actually a bit easier to fit than if it were 50%, so it's easier to find players that match what the Bulls would be looking for.
     
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    From what I know of the situation, he is a restricted free agent(still on his rookie deal), the qualifying offer just allows the team to match his offers from other teams.

    He made 4.8 mil last year, and has yet to sign for this year.
     
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    continuing the discussion...the matching BYC salary would really depend on how much Gordon would sign for. if it's under 9.6M then his previous years salary of 4.8M becomes the amount to match.

    Jackson's salary this year is 6.09M. so he would have to be exchanged for a salary between 4.872M and 7.6125M.

    so if the Rockets were looking to trade for Gordon, and have him sign for under 9.744M then a player (or most likely players) other than Jackson would have to be in the deal.

    of course if Jackson's expiring is something they covet this could easily be circumvented in one of those consecutive trade arrangements...
     
  7. pbthunder

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    Our Jasckson (can't remember his first name - doh!) is BYC? Hasn't it been more than a year since he signed his last contract?
     
  8. Pete the Cheat

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    no he isn't BYC. I was just showing the range of salaries within 125% of his own.

    really I was just trying to show that if Bobby Jackson were to be used in a sign and trade, the incoming player's salary would need to be approaching 10M.
     
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    Bobby Jackson for Jamal Tinsley straight up?
     
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    NJ Nets just signed Eduardo Najera. They already have a ton of bigs and all are very young with fairly inexpensive contracts. I don't see enough playing time for all these guys so if we wanted to add a big they could be a trading partner. Kristic is restricted but with so many bigs they might just let him walk if he signs an offer sheet. Like Landry he is coming off a questionable knee and actually surgery but he was considered as an up and coming player.
    Maybe we could sign Kristic and let Landry walk.

    I'm not sure if I would do it but I'm just putting it out there. any thoughts?
     
  11. Aggie 99

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    what about C. Billups for Novak, Head, Hayes, and a draft pick?
     
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    hahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [choke] [choke] hahahahahah..
    :D :D the only chance of this happening is Isiah Thomas back with the pistons and become the GM, and we send in a Tape of luther head and novak playing in the summer league.
     
  13. tharges

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    Aggie.......enough said :D
     
  14. tharges

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    Why not go after Michael Finley using part of the MLE, what would it take?
     
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    Kristic isn't likely to be better or worse than Landry if he is healthy IMO. I would keep Carl unless he can't play according to the doctors. If Landry walks away,then look for the BPA available for part of the MLE. Getting a player worth the entire MLE is going to be hard.
     
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    Read Spurs forums, they hate hate hate Finley. I think we have enough vets on the team already =P

    ps. but then again, they are also demanding that pop be fire LOL
     
  17. Agentzero

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    The creative me is always full of good ideas,even thouge some are not feasible.After a caraful consideration and long hetitation ,I finally made a dicision that morey should trade one star either tmac or yao or both. :D
    As the two guys are still valuable in market,trading them for some future stars like Roy should be brilliant. It's well known that have signed Brent Barry to make up our 2/3 or even 1 position ,but i guess morey hasn't taken his age in account.Then his performance may slope gradually in the following 2 years.The same to tmac ,whose score has declined by nearly 40 percent since he joined us.32.1 /03 ;28/04 ;25.7/05;24.4/06; 24.6/07 ;21.6/this year.


    In addition ,i don't think our most cricis problem is not in pg position ,because we have SF3 as pg. SF3 is a great pg whom you can't find another pg better than.In my opinion ,SF3 is always the hero of houston even when he was in orlando and newyork.He is no.1 in houston as usual, the franchise roster in rockets is still SF3 instead of tmac1.
     
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    We need a nice athletic stud with height and shooting ability. The best answer to this is to trade Luther and novak for Rodney Carney from minnesota. That team is log jammed at the 3 and 2 positions. The more athletic players we have that can back up T- Mac and shane that can get to the free throw line and hit the wide open J the Better
     
  19. hooroo

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    Opportunity for Rockets to dump salary, pick up a backup C, and a free first round pick? AKA chance to Scola-rize the Blazers in a trade?

    News article in this thread:
    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=151102


    Jackson + Francis + Novak (min. exception) for Pryzbilla + Rodriguez + draft rights to Koponen = Rockets save $1.55M*

    or
    Jackson + Head + Novak for Pryzbilla + Rodriguez + draft rights to Koponen = Rockets save $949K*

    or
    Jackson + Hayes + Novak for Pryzbilla + Rodriguez + draft rights to Koponen = Rockets save $919K*

    * Includes Koponen's salary


    Three major reasons why Blazers would do this:
    *Koponen is threatening to sign a 5 year contract in Europe with a buyout that a 30th pick contract can't settle. Blazers spent $3 million to buy his draft rights in 2007.
    *Trading Pryzbilla acts as insurance if Darius Miles plays 10 games
    *Opens up minutes for Rudy Fernandez

    Rodriguez can posasibly be salary dumped to an under the cap team, or to Chi/Cle/Min/NJ/OKC/Pho/SA who have TEs, or to Den/Sac if the +/- $100K rule works with TEs. If not simply waive him as he is a potential expiring contract, ie team option in 09/10.

    If the Rockets did the Francis deal above they can spend $2.89M on Landry without going over LT. If they manage to salary dump Rodriguez they can spend $3.764M. Ideally they salary dump Rodriguez and split the remainder between Harris's min contract ($711,517) as the Rockets still need some D behind Battier and up to the rest on Landry.

    However, if they're forced to give Landry the full MLE ($5.585M) the also have a chance to get back under by salary dumping Head during the season. That is if they do the Francis deal and salary dump Rodriguez... Including Head that all adds up to $5.66M of cost cutting.


    Alston, Brooks, Koponen
    McGrady, Barry, Head/Francis
    Battier, ***, Greene
    Scola, Landry, Dorsey
    Yao, Hayes, Pryzbilla

    or

    Alston, Brooks, Koponen
    McGrady, Barry, Head, Francis
    Battier, ***, Greene
    Scola, Landry, Dorsey
    Yao, Pryzbilla
     
  20. Gnimoay

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    Koponen could be acquired quite easily, because Portland has a glut of point guards. At this stage we are not going to trade Francis, because nobody knows if he is going to be great next season.
     

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