I really like this trade, and Larry Brown might like it too...Alston's contract is no longer an albatros, it expires next season, and Hayes too.....Head is cheap and can shoot.......they might just do it. Morey...get r done. DD
New Jersey is trying to ship Vince Carter... if this is so, would you do this? New Jersey Nets Incoming Players Photo: Luther Head Luther Head Salary: $1,122,000 Years Remaining: 2 Photo: Shane Battier Shane Battier Salary: $5,883,600 Years Remaining: 4 Photo: Bobby Jackson Bobby Jackson Salary: $5,670,000 Years Remaining: 2 Outgoing Players: Vince Carter Houston Rockets Incoming Players Photo: Vince Carter Vince Carter Salary: $13,325,000 Years Remaining: 5 Outgoing Players: Luther Head, Shane Battier, Bobby
I would REALLY like Carter to be on the Rockets but I would rather not include Shane in it. I don't know how it's possible to match the salaries though. But didn't the Mavs sign Keith Van Horn to a 4 million dollar contract just to do the Jason Kidd trade? Anyone know the specifics on that? Maybe we can sign somebody and trade him to match up the salaries. Or maybe sign Landry and include in him the trade.
http://www.charlotte.com/bobcats/story/690218.html Felton, Augustin*, (vacant) J-Rich, Carroll, Weaver* Wallace, Morrison, (vacant) Emeka, Dudley, May Nazr, Ajinca*, Davidson * Unsigned drafted player Battier + Jackson(exp) for Gerald Wallace + Sean May(exp) Wallace's stock might be at low because of his recent injury history. I think he'll be OK with the Rockets as they don't need him to play PF. May's lack of health makes him a bust. May's played two seasons, had season ending injuries in both. Battier, enough said. Jackson gives them a vet presence at the point. Felton, Augustin, Jackson J-Rich, Carroll, Weaver Wallace, Morrison, (vacant) Emeka, Dudley, May Nazr, Ajinca, Davidson Alston, Brooks, Francis McGrady, Head Wallace, Greene, (Harris***), (Novak****) Scola, Dorsey, May, (Landry**) Yao, Hayes, (Deke**), (Woods***) * Unsigned draft pick ** Free agent *** Non-guaranteed **** Team Option
Gerald Wallace is a nice player but we need a bigger difference maker right now. We can't afford to have any more injured players either.
Yes I would keep Battier. Sign Landry and include him in the trade and a couple of draft picks if need be.
yeah I agree. When I saw that trade hooroo proposed I thought it was a really stupid trade. Why do we need Gerald Wallace? Is he really that much of an upgrade over Shane? Shane is a perfect fit for Adelmans system and so we won't be giving him away unless we received a legit 3rd option in return. No to Gerald Wallace!!! Would much rather have Artest
I agree, no Shane. BJax, Donte Greene, Luther Head, Chuck Hayes, Loren Woods, Steve Francis, 2009 first rounder, and another future first rounder for Vince Carter.
Wallace: 17.6ppg over last 3 seasons. 19.4ppg this season. Battier: 9.8ppg over 3 seasons. 9.3ppg this season. Wallace is one of those bargain deals Morey has spoken of in the past. A player whose stock has dropped because of an injury but at the same time hasn't dropped off in performance.
How about this: Houston trades: - Rafer Alston (4.9 million) - Bobby Jackson (6.0 million) --> Expiring contract - Carl Landry (3.5 million) --> Sign and Trade - 2009 1st Rnd. Pick (Approx. 1.5 million) - 2009 2nd Rnd. Pick (Approx. 600,000) ___________________________________________ Total = 16,500,000 Washington trades: - Gilbert Arenas (15,500,000) --> Sign and Trade Why For Washington ? (Note: As a side point, many believe Washington played better this last season without Arenas in the lineup showing that if they had a point guard who could just be steady with the ball and set up the offense, then that was enough for them to be successful, as has been noted by their success with just Antonio Daniels at the helm.) Usually trades that involve players of Gilbert Arenas stature don't bring back a player of equal status. After losing almost an entire season due to injury, Arenas is not going to be able to command max dollar value by most teams on the open market, I even have a hard time thinking that Washington wants to pay him that (especially after paying Antawn Jamison). He will probably still get it though, and if he plays up to par with his previous season, he deserves it. I think this is a relatively fair trade given that Alston is a mature steady handed point guard who can run and maintain a competitive offense and who has helped anchor the 2nd best defense in the league for the past 3 years. Bobby Jackson is still a savvy scorer but honestly he is in this deal as a lure to create greater financial flexibility for Washington. Carl Landry speaks for himself. Who doesn't want this guy? He's got a bright future ahead of him and God knows we would love to keep him here, but if he can net us someone big, we have to take it. The 2009 1st Rnd. Pick will more than likely be a low pick but is always solid trade bait and highly coveted by most teams. The 2009 2nd Rnd. Pick didn't cost us a thing and is just added incentive to get the deal done and balance out the salary swap. Why For Houston? Obviously, Gilbert Arenas would be that elusive Point Guard AND 3rd Scorer we have been looking for for the past several years. Can he keep his ego in check? Is he a locker room cancer? Not sure. Can he score? 28 points a game sounds good enough to me. Does he create a mismatch on the court? Absolutely. What the Rockets need is one more player to keep defenses honest with Yao and McGrady. Which teams are going to double team Alston, Jackson and Brooks? None of them! And what team is going to leave Arenas with single man coverage? None of them! You plan for this guy because you know he is going to annihilate you from the wing or in the paint. So in order to guard YAO/MCGRADY/ARENAS you literally need 6 - 8 guys on the court to stop all three for each possession they are on the court together. That doesn't include what SCOLA is going to do to you if HE is left alone. This is the reason that GARNETT/PIERCE/ALLEN have created such a successful team. They are a complete mismatch for every player in the league that plays their position. UPSIDE We finally move away from the Rafer Alston experiment and allow our rookie stud point guard to develop with some court time. His speed and penetrating ability won't be an asset to us unless he gets on the court. DOWNSIDE The biggest downside to this trade (I am sure some of ya'll would think Arenas would be that) is losing Carl Landry. He has been the most exciting player to watch since we drafted Francis. It is tough to think of having to fall back on Hayes but Scola has earned his way into the starting position and he is legit. I can't wait to see what kind of numbers he will put up next year. Also, Hayes is very respected around the league and as a backup, you couldn't do much better. Remember he started for us for 2 years and we won 50 games. The New 2008 - 2009 Lineup P.G. - Gilbert Arenas. . . . . . .Aaron Brooks. . . . . . . . . . Steve Francis S.G. - Tracy McGrady. . . . . .Free Agent (Davis / Barry).. Luther Head S.F. - Shane Battier. . . . . . .Donte Greene. . . . . . . . . . Steve Novak P.F. - Luis Scola. . . . . . . . . Chuck Hayes. . . . . . . . . . .Mike Harris ..C. - Yao Ming. . . . . . . . . .Joey Dorsey Note: I don't think that Mutombo is coming back. If he does, Dorsey becomes your backup Power Forward. OR The Current 2008 - 2009 Lineup P.G. - Rafer Alston. . . . . Bobby Jackson. . . . . . Aaron Brooks S.G. - Tracy McGrady. . . Luther Head. . . . . . . .Steve Francis S.F. - Shane Battier. . . . Donte Green. . . . . . . .Steve Novak P.F. - Luis Scola. . . . . . .Carl Landry. . . . . . . . .Mike Harris ..C. - Yao Ming. . . . . . . .Joey Dorsey. . . . . . . .Chuck Hayes
I say sign & trade for Artest. If you give the Kings Brooks, Greene, Hayes, and Jackson, you can probably pay Artest $9M a year in return. PG: Alston / Francis SG: McGrady / Head SF: Artest / Battier PF: Landry / Scola C: Yao / Mutumbo Bench: Harris / Novak / Dorsey / Woods / FA PG
Two problems with this trade: 1) You can't sign-and-trade a player in combination with other players. If there was a second Washington player involved in the trade who made about the same as Landry's re-signed salary, then maybe there could be two separate deals that get it done. Even then, I think the Rockets run into Base Year Compensation issues with Landry, who will obviously make significantly more next season than the rookie minimum he made last year. 2) Draft picks do not count for salary purposes in a trade. If you are counting on the approximate value of the picks to make salaries match, it won't work. Only when a draftee signs a deal does he become a salary for trade purposes. Even now, the draft rights to Donte Greene would not count for any salary in a trade until he signs a contract.
It would be nuts to take Vince Carter for 5 years. The last two or three of them he'd be sinking the franchise at that salary. I'd only take such a player, even if you gave him to me for nothing, if I knew for a fact that he'd bring a championship. Wait.. you didn't mean the drill instructor on Gomer Pyle, did you?
I think you can but BYC is the stickler? Wasn't KVH S&T-ed to make that Jason Kidd to Dallas deal work?
You do realize that Artest have missed a combined 220 games in the last 4 seasons? And when was the last time a team that had Ron Artest had a winning season? Say what you want about the guys skill, but the guy carries way too much baggage. This is the same guy who wanted to take a few games off during the NBA season to promote his rap album . Besides the reason why he's leaving Sacramento is because he wants a long term deal, and that is something I doubt Morey is dumb enough to give him.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/1029499,CST-SPT-bull28.article Hinrich, Rose, Thabo Gordon(RFA), Hughes, Head Deng(RFA), Nocioni, Nichols(RFA) Gooden, Thomas, Simmons Noah, Gray Last season Deng declined an offer of 5 years for $50 million from the Bulls *That's a contract starting at $8 million in the first year. *Bulls as a team had a bad season. Deng went backwards a little in his development. Would Chicago be more reluctant than ever to give him the higher offer he wants? Two trades made simultaneously with the Bulls: Battier + (filler) + 2009 1st round pick for Deng (S&T) *Offer Deng a contract starting at $10 million, that's 5 years $60 million. *I have no idea how to work out BYC deals without the help of a trade checker. So I haven't a clue if the Rocket hold contracts that make it work salary-wise. *However Battier + Head + Brooks for Billups $10M BYC works. Though this is based on last season's salaries. Landry (S&T) for up to the MLE for TE (up to $5.205M) *Landry becomes BYC but the Bulls have a TE which makes it easily workable. In summary, Rockets get Deng. Bulls get Battier, Landry, Rockets 2009 1st round pick, + filler contract/s that may be expiring, non-guaranteed, young potential. Hinrich, Rose, Thabo Gordon(RFA), Hughes Battier, Nocioni, Nichols(RFA) Landry, Thomas, Simmons Noah, Gooden, Gray +filler contract/s Alston, Jackson, Brooks*, Francis* McGrady, Head* Deng, Harris*, Novak Scola, Dorsey, Greene Yao, Hayes*, Deke, Woods* * Candidates for being used as trade filler to complete the proposed deal for Deng.
Deng for Battier/Landry ? No thank you. I wouldn't trade Battier for anyone, unless it was a legitimate third superstar.
