Bobby Simmons is absolutely useless...there is a reason Milwaukee are looking for decent SFs. Simmons is not even serviceble let alone can contribute anything. If I wanted bogus contracts I wouldn't trade the 3rd best defender for it. What are we, dumping contracts/rebuilding?!!
let me be the one to do the standard disclaimer to posts such as this. the Rockets NEVER had Gay in their sights, they merely drafted him because Memphis wanted him.
So you're saying...Miami should just trade Beasley for Mark Camby or something...because they don't have Beasley in their sights...
Milwaukee gets: Rafer Alston/or Bobby Jackson Steve Novak Chuck Hayes 2009 first rounder Houston Gets: Mo Williams Dan Gadzuric/or another bad contract reckon mil will accept that?
ok..maybe not equally bad..but still pretty bad...but I've seen enough just from his free throws... not good enough to start for a good team in my opinion...
First post so I decided to start things off in a thread where you can get away with suggesting crazy ideas. Battier + Jackson for Odom Scola + Francis for Miller sign a backup swingman like Azibuike/ CJ Miles/ Green PG: Alston/ Brooks SG: McGrady/ Head SF: Miller/ Novak PF: Odom/ Lamar/ Hayes C: Yao/ Dike Would not be such a bad lineup in my opinion.
sorry for the 2 post. w22 streak, i dont care about Miami and what they do with their pick, all im saying is we were never going to draft Gay. if we didnt trade him for Batman we would of made another pick/trade, which could of turned out better - but who knows?
Anyone get the feeling that Michael Beasely and Rudy Gay are on similar career paths???? Both are incredibly talented skilled athletes that will present match up problems throughout their careers. Both were assumed to be the most talented player in their respective draft classes for a time. Both suffered from having questionable character, although there's never been any real evidence that they're bad guys in either case. Any chance Beasely drops all the way to 8, where Skiles the defensive minded no nonsense coach, decides to ship him out of town for a sure thing defensive minded role player??? I know where he can find one.....
I'm not going to knock a man from not reading, but before you reply about a player, maybe you should research the guy. What i proposed was Williams and mason for Battier,head,and Jackson. In that trade scenerio with Mo Williams being the centerpiece, Mason is the depth guy. He allows the rox because he can back up the 2/3, is a good defender and slasher can allow the rox to either draft a young wing {D.Green, CDR, Rush, Batum,} or sign a young wing {Miles, G.Green, Peitrus} or even sign and trade for a ricky davis or maggette, or just sign a guy like barnes or Posey. It gives them flexibility at that position. Mason is a bench player just as Battier is on a good team. Battier is a spot up shooter while Mason is a slasher fill the lane type. Both will give u the same production off the bench for 20-28 mis per night. Top it off, Mason deal expires after this season.
Ok I have to admit I didn't really research too much about the player. But let me tell you what I think are the flaws with your proposed trade: Is the gain at the PG position from Rafer to Mo worth the loss at the SF position? In my opinion, absolutely not. The upgrade at PG is minimal considering how much worse we get at SF. Shane is a top 3 defender in the league who is invaluable to any real contender. Rafer is a bad PG by WC standards, but he is serviceable and so is okay as our PG starter. Who's going to start at SF? Mason? Mason has been pretty bad in a very bad Milwaukee team, so what he will be contributing to a good team like Houston will be minimal. We will then have a glaring whole at SF which means we're going backwards instead of forwards. Oh and I think Luther will play better than he ever did before in his contract year. So keep him. Low risk, high reward.(hopefully ) I know we all want to get Mo but I don't think trading Shane for him is the way to go.
Well, if u think the upgrade from Williams to Alston is minimal, then thats a major misstatement. Williams is a huge Bibby-esque upgrade over Rafer. There is one thing rafer does better than williams from shooting jumpers to 3's to free throws to penetrating and playmaking. As for the loss of the small forward production, just like the splitting of duties at the 4, do it with the 3. The Rox could draft one of those swing players mentioned or sign one of those mentioned ealier also. The positive gain of getting the bonifde 3rd guy is a huge gain for the playoffs. We're trying to win the ring, not regular season games.
Well getting a rookie to start at 3 isn't that good of an option. Unless we can get Artest or another star I don't see us trading Battier. And Mo isn't that star. I'm not a Rafer fan, its just that I think we're losing wayy too much at SF for that improvement at PG, however big of an improvement it may be. Surely Milwaukee is interested in more than Shane?
Other than Ricky Davis, none of them are starter quality. I don't think we'll have the money to sign Davis anyways after we sign Landry, so Pietrus is the only decent guy to pick up out of that list. And don't think he can start for a good team yet.
I think they should first focus on finding that 3rd scorer. We got inconsistent scoring at the PG and SF spot. The Celtics won the championship with Rondo who I don't consider better than Alston. The Spurs won their championship with Bowen at the SF who is less of a scoring threat the Battier. What we need is that third scorer whether he starts or comes of the bench. There are alot threads with trades of our weaker players for another team strong player. These trades don't happen unless your the Grizzlies. Lets hear more balanced trades.
