Red dust and Planet of the Apes, worse ways to go.... Wife and I got our 2nd Pfizer shot yesterday. Sore arm again but not nearly as bad as our first shot......
Time will tell but I'm willing to guess it is the demographics that are resistant to getting vaccinated that are currently getting hit with covid.
What happened to you’ll on the first shot? I thought the second shot was the one where flu-like symptoms could happen? Perhaps your arm soreness was just worse the first shot. Mine is not bad on the second day but still sore a little.
Agreed, probably Republicans. That's probably not what you were thinking of, but here's a question, why does demographics matter here, and why are you so eager to make a distinction when reading this information? Here are some demographics for you, its people, American people, and a number of them will die, and even more will struggle with long-term effects. Michigan's vaccination rates are not remarkable, currently ranked 32nd out of our 50 states. The variant is the big factor, not a demographic.
First shot, just arm soreness that lasted a day and gone. Second shot, more or less the same with no other issues...
There are examples worldwide. What is happening in Chile? Chile is in the enviable position of having vaccinated faster than any other country in the Americas. More than a third of the country’s 18 million people have received at least one shot of either Pfizer/BioNTech or China’s Sinovac Biotech vaccine. However, cases have soared to the point of overwhelming the health system and strict lockdown measures are back in place. What went wrong? The speedy vaccination programme appears to have instilled a false sense of security that led the country to ease restrictions too soon without people appreciating the ongoing risks. The country reopened its borders in November and in January introduced permits for Chileans to go on summer holiday. Without strict controls on people entering the country, and the lack of an efficient contact-tracing system, travellers may have brought infections back into the country that were not picked up. The virus would have had more chance to spread when the schools reopened along with restaurants, shopping malls, casinos, gyms and churches. With transmission rates now so high in the country, a far greater proportion of the population will need to be vaccinated to get on top of the epidemic. Natural herd immunity in Manaus Manaus, on the Amazon river in Brazil, was thought last summer to have achieved herd immunity. Tests on donated blood suggested 66% of people had antibodies against the virus in July, following a devastating first wave of infection. By October that had risen to 76%. And then in January a second wave hit, hospitals were overwhelmed and patients’ relatives pleaded for oxygen cylinders because the city had run out. Between 25% and 61% of those infected had already had one bout of Covid. They were not immune. The P1 variant was responsible for the savage second wave. It is now known to have a mutation called E484K that confers some resistance to vaccines and antibodies against the regular virus. The tale of Manaus was a salutary one – that Covid could never be allowed to run its course in hopes of generating herd immunity.
My wife got her first shot yesterday. Complained about soreness, aches and chills. She is ragging it...so I'm not sure how accurate that assessment was by her.
He's british so ofc he will say that. What a shocker! Here's another one: Don't take a vaccine that can kill you, left you paralysed or send you to the ICU with a stroke and instead demand a safe vaccine. Attitudes like that is exactly why vaccine deniers and conspirasy theorists exist. Instead of informing about the truth and providing a safe alternative product they try to burry the truth under the rug and hurry up a proccess and destroying lives. Our CDC decided today exactly like this nurse says to only allow it to over 30s. So basically bullshit. And peope aren't stupid and blind sheep so now everyone just cancels their AstraZeneca appointment. They can't force the population to take it. If they want to do something with all these doses that costed millions of euros, instead of throwing it to the dumpster they can donate them to a 3rd world country. Coz we ain't having it.
There are multiple demographics that are resistant to getting vaccinated. There is no indication that the vaccine doesn't work against the dominant strain in the US now. I got the feeling from your post that you were implying that the vaccines were not effective against this strain and that was the reason for this increase in cases. If you have studies that show the vaccine doesn't work against the dominant strain then please share, but I don't believe it to be the case.
I’m not saying anything about vaccination efficiency, especially against our national dominant strain, I’m saying in Michigan, the UK variant is causing another major spike that is going to eclipse their past peak. That is worrisome, they have 30% vaccination rate right now yet they are going to eclipse a peak that happened months ago, this is terrifying for the rest of the country, if/when that strain spreads to become more dominant in other states, it may be so potent that our current vaccination rates are unable to prevent large waves. I’m not even referencing the efficiency, but we may need much higher vaccination rate to protect against a much more transmissible strain. Like I said, Michigan’s vaccination rate does not explain the current wave, it’s the variant spread in northeast, and now south East that seems to be the clear difference maker
I'm also a few hours into my 2nd Pfizer shot.Much less arm soreness as well. So far so good. It sucks that many urban population centers especially those that are blue are having trouble finding enough vaccines while red areas have far too many for the number that want them. I heard someone else say Biden should announce he is pulling vaccines from red states. Reverse psychology will totally work on these morons.
Took a moderna shot today, 2nd one in May. I read an article that claimed infection response wasn't that bad after taking a shot so even if it does mutate, what you're really looking for is to take out the novel response Corona does to your body. So my hope at least is the immunization reduces death rates and ICU capacity even if there's a regional outbreak. Countries like India are starting to incubate strains that are affecting younger age groups. W're in a race against time in terms of human patience and the economy. Nature can't wait though. Hopefully this will be a blip after 2-3 years
I live in Katy, and this has been my experience 1st Moderna shot about a month ago at Delmar Stadium, thirty minute drive each way, 2 hours in my car in a very long drive through station. Arm hurt, felt like a bruise, but no after effects. 2nd Moderna today at the Parking Spot near IAH. 1 hour drive each way, 1 hour in my car in another very long drive through station. Arm did not hurt like the first, but I am getting various aches in different parts of my body. Feel woozy, as if I just took a large dose of benadryl. I feel like tonight / tomorrow could be bad. I suppose I could have been more patient and waited to get an office visit appoint near Katy and saved time, but I am pleased it is done with and cost nothing but time. Also, people not getting it are idiots.
I had Covid about 2 months before my first shot so I got the heavy side effects from dose 1. That’s basically how I felt in the evening after my Pfizer shot, a little light headed and achy. Next day I was wiped. Took about 4 hours worth of naps. I thought I’d get no side effects from shot 2, but had chills and some body aches. Was able to do a pretty normal workout though. That said none of the side effects can compare to the potential impact of actual Covid. There’s no good reason for people to be passing on this thing.
Speaking of younger age groups... I have been speaking to a couple I know in Brazil and they are in full on freak out mode. Saying many young children are dying from a new strain. I should probably post this in the D&D, but they said their government does not care in the slightest. Apparently doing nothing at all and has actually said they don’t really care, just suck it up basically. I’m really in my feels about the people of Brazil and what they are going through. Hope something happens to positively change what is happening.
Emerging nations caught a big break when covid19 mainly targeted older groups. I was expecting stories about Africa getting hit hard but it largely morphed into a "rich country disease". I think that has allowed unaffected countries to assume it's a foreign virus that targets the unclean or ungodly, but masking up and proper hygiene goes a long way even if it can't afford lockdowns or the infrastructure for quarantine, contact tracing (civil liberties nightmare) and frequent testing. We still live in a world where people don't wash their hands after ******** or before eating. I guess that's a lesson cultures learn after an outbreak or two.
Blood clotting problems with the AstraZeneca vaccine may be due to a rare reaction. It's important to note that developing severe blood clotting is around 1 in 100,000 from the vaccine. This is far less than the risk of death from getting infected with COVID-19. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/09/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage Blood Clots Linked to AstraZeneca Vaccine Stem From Rare Antibody Reaction New studies from Germany and Norway examined cases involving mostly younger people who developed serious and sometimes fatal blood disorders New research has identified unusual antibodies that appear to have caused, in rare cases, serious and sometimes fatal blood clots in people who received the Covid vaccine made by AstraZeneca. Exactly why the rare reactions to the vaccine occurred is still a mystery. Scientific teams from Germany and Norway found that people who developed the clots after vaccination had produced antibodies that activated their platelets, a blood component involved in clotting. The new reports add extensive details to what the researchers have already stated publicly about the blood disorder. Younger people appear more susceptible than older ones, but researchers say no pre-existing health conditions are known to predispose people to the rare reaction. That is worrisome, they say, because there is no way to tell if an individual is at high risk. Reports of the clots have already led a number of countries to limit AstraZeneca’s vaccine to older people, or to stop using it entirely. These cases have dealt a crushing blow to global efforts to halt the pandemic, because the AstraZeneca shot — easy to store and relatively cheap — has been a mainstay of vaccination programs in more than 100 countries. The European Medicines Agency, the regulator for the European Union, has emphasized repeatedly that the clotting disorder is rare, and that the vaccine’s benefits far outweigh its risks. But when a side effect has the potential to be devastating or fatal — like the blood clots in the brain linked to this vaccine — some regulators and segments of the public are finding that the risk is unacceptable, even if it is extremely rare. As of Sunday, European regulators had received reports of 222 cases of the rare blood-clotting problem in Britain and the 30-nation European Economic Area (the European Union plus Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein). They said that about 34 million people had received the AstraZeneca vaccine in those countries, and that the clotting problems were appearing at a rate of about one in 100,000 recipients. European regulators said that as of March 22, they had carried out detailed reviews of 86 cases, 18 of which had been fatal. The safety bar for vaccines is set high, because they are given to healthy people. The seemingly greater vulnerability of younger people to the clotting disorder is of particular concern, because their risk of severe illness from Covid itself is lower than that in older people. Those differences suggest that overall, compared to older people, younger people may have less to gain and more to lose from the AstraZeneca vaccine. Germany, the Netherlands, the Philippines, Portugal and Spain have recommended that the AstraZeneca vaccine be given only to people over 60. Canada and France have limited it to those over 55; Australia, over 50; Belgium, over 56. Britain, where the vaccine was developed, has been its staunchest defender, but announced on Wednesday that it would begin offering alternative shots to people under 30. The University of Oxford, which developed the vaccine with AstraZeneca, said on Tuesday that it had suspended a two-month-old trial of the vaccine in children and teenagers in Britain while it waits for regulatory guidance. Cameroon, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Denmark and Norway have stopped using the vaccine. Full vaccination with the AstraZeneca vaccine requires two doses, but regulators in France and Germany have recommended that people under 55 who have had one dose get a different vaccine for their second shot. The AstraZeneca vaccine is not authorized for use in the United States, but the company has said it plans to apply to the Food and Drug Administration for permission for emergency use. The agency declined on Friday to comment on the rare clotting disorder. On Wednesday, the European Medicines Agency said that the vaccine’s labeling should be revised to include listing the clotting disorder as a “very rare” side effect of the vaccine. In a statement on its website, AstraZeneca said it was “actively collaborating with the regulators to implement these changes to the product information and is already working to understand the individual cases, epidemiology and possible mechanisms that could explain these extremely rare events.” The two new studies were published by The New England Journal of Medicine. One from Germany described 11 patients, including nine women ages 22 to 49. From five to 16 days after vaccination, they were found to have one or more clots. Nine had cerebral venous thrombosis, a clot blocking a vein that drains blood from the brain. Some had clots in their lungs, abdomen or other areas. Six of the 11 died, one from a brain hemorrhage. Although most of the patients were female, it is not known whether women are more vulnerable than men. Many health care workers in Germany are women, and they were among the first to be vaccinated. One patient had pre-existing conditions that affected clotting. During a news briefing on Friday, Dr. Andreas Greinacher, an author of the report, said those conditions most likely played only a minor role in the reaction that occurred after vaccination. He also said it was a “likely possibility” that the people who developed the clotting disorder had some rare, unknown biological traits — what he called “individual co-factors” — that predisposed their immune systems to make powerful, misdirected antibodies in response to the vaccine. He called that “good news” for the general population, who do not have the co-factors. There is “clear evidence” that the AstraZeneca vaccine in rare cases leads the body to make antibodies that activate platelets, and that those antibodies are causing blood clots, Dr. Greinacher said. But, he added: “We have no way to predict who will develop these antibodies.” So far, his laboratory has identified only about 40 cases, of 1.4 million people in Germany who have received the vaccine. If the vaccine alone were causing the problem, without individual co-factors, there would be many, many more cases, Dr. Greinacher said. He called the deaths in young people “tragic,” but noted that the numbers were small. “Not vaccinating will bring many, many more people with severe complications than vaccination,” Dr. Greinacher warned. All of the first 11 patients in his study, as well as 17 others with clots after vaccination whose blood was tested, had the antibodies known to activate platelets. The antibodies led to a condition called thrombotic thrombocytopenia, which caused both clotting and abnormal bleeding. The researchers suggested naming the newly identified version in these patients “vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia,” or VITT. Various theories have been offered by scientists as to what touches off the immune reaction. The AstraZeneca vaccine employs a chimpanzee adenovirus to carry DNA into recipients to spark an immune response against the coronavirus. Laboratory studies have suggested that the chimp virus or the DNA might cause the problem. Some researchers have suggested that bleeding from the injection, mixed with the vaccine, might put platelets in the cross-hairs of the immune system. more at link
Got Moderna 2nd dose yesterday afternoon and it has knocked me on my ass for the 14 hours or so. Sickest I've felt in probably 11 years, really got pegged with the worst of the side effects: high fever, aches and pains head to toe, brutal headache.
