1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[SI] Astro in Exile: Luhnow

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by lnchan, Oct 13, 2022.

  1. raining threes

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    12,681
    Likes Received:
    8,329
    Not just this forum.

    Wonder what it's like to always think you're the smartest man in the room. Aggies, LMAO
     
  2. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2002
    Messages:
    14,250
    Likes Received:
    5,214
    Can you imagine if the Yankees, Mariners, Angels, or Blue Jays hired Jeff Luhnow to be GM in the offseason? Think about that feeling for a minute. Not a good one. That's a good check for whether we should bring him back!

    Remember, the Red Sox brought back Alex Cora after they were punished and had to dismiss him. So it's not like move would be without precedent. Luhnow is a true game changer (Cora was not).
     
    eliefor3 likes this.
  3. ac in austin

    ac in austin Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2000
    Messages:
    287
    Likes Received:
    300
    I really don’t understand the complete adoration some of you have. All those teams you listed…you think they don’t know that Lunhow built the Astros? There are how many guys running teams now that worked for him…Elias, Stearns, Putila…but somehow no one wants to hire the architect. Why is that? Only raining threes knows his genius I guess. Why hasn’t anyone ever defended him in the media?
     
    Bregatron and mightybosstone like this.
  4. Amshirvani

    Amshirvani Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    4,968
    Likes Received:
    3,066
    you truly believe no team has called him begging him to take the reins?
     
  5. Nick

    Nick Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    48,059
    Likes Received:
    14,304
    For every win this postseason, Luhnow’s name has been brought up more and more. Everybody previously associated him with tanking to get guys like Correa, Bregman, Tucker, LMJ…. But its the other acquisitions (Framber, CJ, Garcia, Urquiddy, Abreu, Chas, YORDAN) that have truly extended the window and obviously he assembled a scouting department that had a specific philosophy when it came to finding pitchers.

    Time and continued success cures a lot. He’ll get interest… not just from middling teams, but from high end teams looking to extend (or merely create) a long lasting window.

    That being said, Click gets full credit for this bullpen, Vasquez, Mancini, and the general management of getting these young pitchers to the show and in a rotation capacity. Nobody knows if Luhnow would have kept all of them.
     
    jiggyfly and jjsmooth like this.
  6. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    5,405
    Likes Received:
    6,080
    It's getting harder and harder to keep from giving Click the credit he deserves.

    He has had 3 trade deadlines and 2 1/2 off seasons to change the Astros.

    He has changed some things and kept some things ( which he should also get credit for)

    One thing you mentioned is scouting. Luhnow actually gutted the scouting department.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but one of Click's accomplishments is rebuilding it. Of course the benefit of his choices won't be known for a few years.

    What Luhnow did was have a specific idea what he wanted in international free agent pitchers and that happened to line up very differently than most front offices giving him a great supply of pitchers he wanted and they were cheap so he could sign more. He had to hit on just a small percentage and he did.

    HOF calibur
     
    jiggyfly likes this.
  7. panamamyers

    panamamyers Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2000
    Messages:
    1,300
    Likes Received:
    1,150
    Click deserves credit for Neris, Stanek and Montero. Luhnow for Brown, Abreu, Pressly and Garcia if you consider him part of the bullpen here.

    Luhnow, like Josh Gordon or some of these other guys in other sports, will eventually get another chance. He's too far and away the best in his field. If it was Tim Purpura, the league would be willing to let him go away as the backlash wouldn't be worth it.
     
    rockbox and Wulaw Horn like this.
  8. eliefor3

    eliefor3 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2019
    Messages:
    3,240
    Likes Received:
    4,570
    Pressley was Luhnows.
     
  9. texans1095

    texans1095 Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2013
    Messages:
    1,690
    Likes Received:
    2,116
    Look, I know the odds of him coming back in any capacity have to be low. But it’s an absolute pipe dream to have him back leading the team as GM. And this is just me unrealistically dreaming, but I feel like he’s tweeted much more about them in the last couple months than the last 3 years combined. I can dream lol. And FWIW, I like Click, but would LOVE Luhnow back.
     
  10. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    5,405
    Likes Received:
    6,080
    I agree with you that he has been more open and public with his comments and support of the team.

    That said, I think he appreciates what he had and built and time has healed him to the point where he can think about it again.

    But mostly I think every time he mentions the Astros, people start thinking and talking about him which he NEEDS.
     
    texans1095 likes this.
  11. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2010
    Messages:
    8,407
    Likes Received:
    11,178
    I still can't believe the Red Sox not just rehired Cora but also the rogue employer video replay operator
     
    arkoe and SuraGotMadHops like this.
  12. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2010
    Messages:
    8,407
    Likes Received:
    11,178
    Oh imagine Toro going against us in 2019... we would have been swept...
     

    Attached Files:

  13. Screaming Fist

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2018
    Messages:
    2,572
    Likes Received:
    2,903
    Neris has been fine but hasn't really been better than expected. Montero was a good get. Honestly, I think the best move he has made as GM was Raley.
     
  14. donkeypunch

    donkeypunch Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2013
    Messages:
    19,449
    Likes Received:
    21,963
  15. Nick

    Nick Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    48,059
    Likes Received:
    14,304
    Was Stearns still here when he Gomez trade was made... or did he execute that for Milwaukee?
     
  16. Fyreball

    Fyreball Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009
    Messages:
    14,946
    Likes Received:
    12,224
    There's been some chatter surrounding Sig Mejdal. Anybody seeing anything regarding Crane bringing him back??
     
  17. punkoholic

    punkoholic Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2016
    Messages:
    3,353
    Likes Received:
    3,125
  18. Qan

    Qan Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2012
    Messages:
    2,897
    Likes Received:
    4,083
    Let's just gather everyone back
     
    RKREBORN likes this.
  19. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2010
    Messages:
    8,407
    Likes Received:
    11,178
    This needs an Avengers Endgame feel... just bring everyone and crush the entitled Yankees, entitled Dodgers, and hypocritical Red Sox
     
    RKREBORN likes this.
  20. tehG l i d e

    tehG l i d e Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2009
    Messages:
    23,183
    Likes Received:
    14,046
    Luhnow's biggest mistake was trading for Osuna who despite being a good closer was widely hated. Then that stupid comment by that executive regarding Osuna led to the reporter writing that story that blew up (during the 2019 playoffs). That scumbag Mike Friers took this as the perfect opportunity to pile on with his accusations. A snowball turned into an avalanche at the worst possible time...
     
    HTown2017Champs likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now