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Paul Ryan: Obamacare repeal is first priority under Trump

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Dec 6, 2016.

  1. dmoneybangbang

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    Democrats will probably give the GOP a taste of their own medicine. Why would they not let the GOP fall on their face after 6 years without having a replacement for a plan they've tried to repeal a dozen times.
     
  2. MojoMan

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    If the Republicans don't have a plan, then what is it that you are suggesting the Democrats will be voting against? And that supposedly just Obamacare renamed, if you are to be trusted on this issue.
     
  3. dmoneybangbang

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    It was your hypothetical....

    I don't think much will be done until at least 2018 by the GOP.
     
  4. Dairy Ashford

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    Never gonna happen. Too many people who already have coverage perceived a drop in service availability by including poor people, and a drop in quality by having to interact or share wait times with them in hospital facilities. In a nutshell some private citizens view healthcare the same way they view real estate, in that their wealth should always allow for a different standard of service or quality and should separately insulate them from dealing with entire social groups. If there were some standardization between hospitals in charging services then you could probably still provide some customization based on geography.
     
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  5. Liberon

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    It doesn't matter because Obamacare used to be called something else. You think this healthcare plan was an original idea? No of course not.
     
  6. Rocket River

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    I still think the only change the people who voted for Trump want .. . . is a change of the name
    They hate the idea of having to be grateful to Obama for the care they getting
    hate being reminded of it

    Rocket River
     
  7. Space Ghost

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    Are you suggesting Obamacare is sustainable as it stands now? Its the left who is now referring to it as the ACA instead of Obamacare and keep pushing the narrative this was actually a Republican plan. It seems no one wants to own this turd.
     
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    http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/01/07/505200/US-Obamacare

    Outgoing US President Barack Obama has told Republican lawmakers in Congress,
    "present a good replacement plan for his legacy-defining healthcare law, before voting to repeal it",
    "If they're so convinced that they're going to be able to do it better, why is it they're trying to
    repeal this so quick?", "What is it they're afraid of?"


     
  9. MojoMan

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    A better question is, what is Obama so afraid of? But everyone knows. His legacy is getting ready to be ash-canned, starting with his signature legislation, Obamacare.

    As a result, he will be remembered as the empty suit that many of us told you he was at the time he was first elected. What a waste his presidency has been.
     
  10. larsv8

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    He is afraid of what most reasonable people are, that Republicans make things worse because they are idiots.
     
  11. amaru

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    Republicans have the majority in both houses.

    They received a no fail edict from their voters. No excuses.
     
  12. dmoneybangbang

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    Well because exchanges were a conservative way of keeping insurance privatized. Romney had a successful state program you didn't hear much about during the 2012 campaign.
     
  13. dmoneybangbang

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    Considering he was the captain of the ship during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression that got us out of it much more quickly than FDR.... I would say obama did a decent job.

    Perhaps if you weren't so partisan you could see the big picture.

    Now it's the GOP's turn to show us what sort of policies they have.
     
  14. adoo

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    in addition to the ACA, O will be remembered as the fixer of many of the GWB F*uck-ups, such as

    successfully bailing out the financial industry, after W had failed in his attempt
    captured bin-Lader,
    after W had vowed to go to the end of the earth to catch him, failed at it, and then changed his tune to say that it was not that important to do so​
    created ~ 60 consecutive months so job creation, avg > 100K a month
    in the waning months of the GWB presidency, the US economy was losing >100K jobs a month​
     
  15. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I don't think I have seen this team block so many shots in a 4 minute span - that has to be 4 blocks at least
     
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    I hope not. A shitty Republican replacement might be better than nothing at all, so Democrats should at least be open to entertaining support for something instead of making Americans suffer so they can settle their stupid political scores like the Republicans do. If a replacement plan doesn't make sense there's no reason to vote for it, but the last thing I want to see from Democrats is spite.
     
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    Well you can bet that'll be the first, and possibly only thing you'll see from them over the next 4 years.
     
  18. dmoneybangbang

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    Sucks the GOP have had over 6 years to come up with any sort of replacement. Incompetence has a cost.

    Nothing is stopping the GOP from improving ACA except themselves.
     
  19. dmoneybangbang

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    Well the GOP should have realized it after they did the same thing.
     
  20. SamFisher

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    Technically they've had longer since this started in 2008, really.

    Though as we all know, the ACA's basis is the plan designed by the Heritage Foundation, pushed by Bob Dole, then-Republican Senate Majority Leader, and implemented by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts - so I deeply sympathize with their plight, in that their best idea was stolen and implemented by Obama, to insure their voters.

    Now, however, they have to repeal their plan, and harm their own voters, because, it's what the people want, not including the majority of people who did not want it.

    Governing is hard! :(
     

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