Its not hindsight to people who knew at the time. I hate when people with low basketball knowledge try to discredit people who knew prior by calling it hindsight. I hated the acquisitions of Silas and KPJ because it was obvious to me and others that they were bad news. Once its proven everyone becomes Kendrick Perkins and either moves the goal post or swears it was hindsight lol Silas was taking credit for what a championship coach did that was clear to see. He was living off of both the head coach and his fathers name yet he ha never done nothing of substance himself. Apparently that was clear as day to Harden. The KPJ problem was clear as day to the Cavs and others and they happily gifted their problem to Stone. Both were addition by subtraction for the prior teams.
It's already working out for the Rockets. We're winning. It's not a debate, this product is Stone's creation and is showing fantastic results. He's exceeded expectations already
Hey I personally don't have an opinion on this, I am just telling you how it was back then. Silas was a hot name in the coaching circle once upon a time, it's not some revelation. Morey had him as a finalist to replace McHale, He was also a front runner for Portland coaching position and Steve Kerr's lead assistant position. Rick Carlisle ended up hiring him in 2018 to fill out his staff. These people might not have the same level of basketball knowledge as you, but Silas was definitely highly regarded for a couple of years. I just remember every time there's a vacancy, he was getting interviewed. Also keep in mind the coaching search for a heard coach began in September while Morey was still here, and then a month later he quit. I highly suspect Stone just went with what Morey wanted at the end. It was a mess of a situation. The KPJ thing was definitely all Stone's decision.
I think you are getting your timeline mixed up here. I did some digging because even my memories were foggy during those times. Sept 14, 2020 Mike D 'Antoni says he won't return Oct 15, 2020, Morey Resigns as GM (effective November 1) Oct 15, 2020, Ty Lue signs a 5 year deal with the Clippers replacing Rivers Oct 28, 2020 Silas is hired (I think Morey is technically still the GM, but probably had no say because he was leaving 3 days later) The way I read the situation, we had no shot at Ty Lue, he signed with the Clippers the same day Morey quit. Silas was the second option so we went with him. There's some debate on when exactly Harden decided he wasn't coming back, I personally think it was decided in the summer he was going to request a trade, which is why WB already requested a trade quietly.
Considering nobody expects much out of him the results work. It is a debate for anyone with a thinking mind. Stone is winning despite being a terrible gm
So if you say it, it's true but if others say it then it ain't true? Lol. You: Harden wanted out cuz he wanted Ty Lue Me: OK so why did none of his trade demands include Ty Lue team? You: Ask Harden. You lying I'm out. LOL wtf you guys are delusional.
Exactly. Bro thought he got it all figured out. The reality is Harden already had exit plans in the works in the summer, multiple sources said he alerted WB he was bailing that's why WB sent out that trade demand.
The Ower normally determines who the next big coach is...... Leslie Alexander wanted Kevin McHale when almost nobody wanted this rookie coach because he saw him on Live TV talking well..... So Tilman Fertitta wanted Ime Udoka because despite the sex scandal he heard great things about his no nonsense philosophy...... Despite loathing Tilman I give him credit for picking Ime Udoka and committing to his player choices........was the right move for a headless snake ...the Rockets. Udoka was a former Spurs scrub player from the Pop tree, of course he wanted Wembanyama....no question....
HARDEN WANTED TYLUE AND NOT SILAS. He 100% did not want Silas, Silas is the reason he left. not sure why you have to say the same **** over and over to the hard heads on the board. Houston has to be voted the most annoying fanbase in history. Between Lin fans, the dumbass Harden haters the r****ded KPJ fans and now Jalen Greens blind fanboys its annoying as **** and like I said its the reason I only come on here once a month. Nothing I said changes with what you posted either learn to read or get over yourself. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...as not fired,concerning his tenure in Houston. They knew way before october that they needed a new coach Harden wanted Lue before he was hired CLEARLY. ******* its like talking to slow people lol I hope english is your second language
I guess posting quotes from the athletic and usa today means "You just said it" "You lying" I didnt said it FOOL THEY WERE ****ING QUOTES. ******* youre annoying lol
Calm down why are you yelling at me. Harden wanted Ty Lue, my point is are you sure Ty Lue wanted to coach the Rockets. What was exactly the Rockets was trying to sell for Ty to leave Kawhi and PG 13 committed on long term contracts. Our organization was in shambles at that time, quite literally, Morey quit and WB was being shopped quietly and Hardens situation was up in the air. Were we trying to Ty Lue Harden and John Wall? People talk in the NBA, I think it's safe to assume it was more of a one sided love affair with Ty Luw
Your point has nothing to do with what I said. I dont care what Ty Lue wanted. The point is Harden didnt want Silas. His main guy was Ty Lue and he was mad at the Rockets for not going harder for him. Also at the time Westbrook would still be there not Wall if Harden got what he wanted.
Mad at the Rockets, as in mad at Morey? He was still GM when Lue went to the Clippers and then Morey quit. Do you think that Morey spited Harden one last time by not going after Ty Lue before dipping just to piss him off? Silas and Lue weren't even on the same timeline. Silas was hired 2 weeks after Lue signed with the Clippers. You may have an argument if the Rockets hired Silas first, but we never had a shot Lue.
If people remember the real time draft thread, as soon as CF saw Cam slipping after the Thompsons. Everyone started crossing their fingers and hoped he could slipped further, and lot of people all started spamming pick Whitmore if he falls to us. For whatever asymmetrical information that GMs may have had over the public, think everyone here all said "Take Cam!". It was all, 'please trade up', or at the very least take him with the 2nd pick that we had. Sometimes the obvious is the best thing to do. Draft night was so satisfying because we got him.
Agree. Ty wasn't signing with us, he gave Rockets a formality interview to be polite. To be fair to Harden, he was right in wanting Lue over Silas. Silas wasn't a good head coach.
