[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

some interesting combine quotes i found. not trying to prove anything, just sharing.

norm chow on the obstacles reggie bush faces
"They're huge," Chow said. "Pass protection, blocking, running pass routes. He's played in a good system with a good staff, but the speed of the game – they're all going to be as fast as he is, you know?"

norm chow on vy
"I've seen tapes on him and obviously he's a very good athlete," Tennessee Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow said of Young. "Until you get to know him better, you'd be crazy to make those kinds of statements [about where he ranks]. I don't know enough about him, … Not only what you see, you have to get a feel for him – what he understands, what he knows, what he doesn't know."

other quotes
Excluding Savage and Chow, a poll of four personnel men and two offensive assistants (all from different teams) revealed a strong lean toward Leinart. Only one assistant thought Young was the best quarterback prospect in this draft. Two of the six thought both Leinart and Cutler ranked ahead of Young.

cleveland browns gm savage on vy
""If you take a Vince Young, you take a Michael Vick, you take some of these [spread offense] players that are going to be coming through the ranks the next few years, you have to decide, 'Are you going to revamp and change everything and try to fit it to that quarterback?' or 'Are you going to try and put a round peg in a square hole?' " Savage said. "… That's the advantage Matt Leinart has. He's played in a pro-style system.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...bYF?slug=cr-combine022306&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

kubiak on vince young
"He's a tremendous athlete, and as coaches in this league, you look for guys who can bail you out, so to speak," Kubiak said. "When you're wrong as a coach, you want a guy who can step to the plate for his team and keep moving the chains. Vince is an extremely gifted young man.

"The plays he can make off schedule are probably second to none. He's also a very bright young man, good young man, a leader.

"The job he did at Texas and the way he led that group tells you that he'll do it again. He'll have a great career."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3684885.html

reggie mckneel always 2nd to vy
Young is expected to be one of the top three picks in next month's draft. McNeal is hoping to impress scouts enough to become a first-day pick.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3663287.html

 

system QB's don't have offenses built around them because of their talents. they're picked because the system comes first...then they're plugged in because they "fit." VY is an exceptional talent who teams will change their offense for to meet. it's the exact opposite of a system QB situation.

 

I agree with this. The last thing that you want to do is try to change him. VY is very good situational QB. He is patient and knows when he needs to abort the play and make the most out of it.

I do believe that Leinart can turn a franchise around with the right surrounding cast, including the system and coaching (ala Peyton Manning). Unfortunately, NO may not be the best place for him.

Next year is going to be exciting.

 

The same scouting position you have. From right here on my couch every Sunday for the past 4 years watching Carr struggle.

The dude locks in on one receiver, makes some crappy throws, has other throws dropped, takes unnecessary sacks, throws temper tantrums on the field, and has RARELY taken over games and won them on his own.

I'll give Carr some props, he's tough as nails physically. I just don't think he has what it takes to take this team to the next level. Can he be a good QB with better talent around him, sure. Was he a big part of reason we were 2-14. Without a doubt.

Is he a guy who can step to the plate for his team and keep moving the chains? Are the plays he can make off schedule probably second to none? Is he a leader. I think not but then again I've NEVER been a big fan. I like him but I'm willing to take my chances at the upside of Vince with DD in the back field, AJ at wide out and more talent around them.

That's the direction I'd like the see the home team take. If not... oh well they are still the home team and I enjoyed having the entire row to myself while they blew winnable games to teams like the Rams at home.

 

So because you found one example of the statistic being flawed, the statistic means nothing?

Tell me, what measures do you use to determine whether a quarterback is good? Whatever they are, I can find a few exceptions to the rule.

 

There are rumors that Radio scored a 6 on the wonderlick test. I don't know if this is true or not. That would be the worse score ever though.

 

Just my regular reminder that Cutler will be the real deal.

I've seen more of him than basically anyone since I've been a student during all 4 years that he has played...

he will surprise

 

Just a rumor people but it seems VY scored a 6 on his wonderlic.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

 

System is the reason Couch went before McNabb. McNabb went from a option offense in college to a force in the pros by his 2nd year. McNair also went from a simple system and playing against sub-D1 level opponents talent and defensive schemes to also being a factor by year 2 in the NFL.

Just throwing it out there.

 

Well if this is true I think it's obvious that we won't be selecting him as the first pick in the draft. We can't have a guy that stupid playing quarterback for us.

 

those guys were not mentally r****ded though

 

Ok, I could see him falling if he really did score a 6, but this statement is ridiculous:

"Said the source, who knows a thing or two about evaluating college players:

"I predict he'll fall all the way out of the first round."


http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

 

Sadly for you guys, profootballtalk.com is an absolute joke and has less credibility than Chad Ford.

 

If 6 is true wow.. there are always people who score low but they aren't usually at the QB position.. usually I don't think the scores would matter much, but it may at the qb position where you have to learn all the plays etc to a greater extent..

 

A Wonderlic score of 6 is just... horrible. I took the 15-question sample Wonderlic test from ESPN. It took me 2-3 minutes, and I missed one question (and I'm ashamed to even admit that).

Other low Wonderlic QB scores:
Oscar Davenport - 6 (who?)
Jeff George - 10
Michael Bishop - 10
Ell Roberson - 11
Tee Martin - 11
Donovan McNabb - 12 (other score a 16)
Kordell Stewart - 12
Seneca Wallace - 12
Neil O'Donnell - 13
Brad Banks - 13
Brock Berlin - 13
Dan Marino - 14
J.P. Losman - 14 (other score a 31)
David Garrard - 14
Daunte Culpepper - 15 (then an 18... then a 21)
Steve McNair - 15
Elvis Grbac - 16
Chris Redman - 16
Heath Shuler - 16

 

but who knows if it is true.. I guess we will find out soon enough

 

As I said, PFT is the NFL equivalent of Chad Ford. They consistently throw out outlandish, off the wall rumors and predictions in hopes that one of them might stick. They say things for shock value to gain readers.

All of you are wasting your time until you see it from a non-PFT source.

 

I bet if VY had a high score on the Wonderlic, guys like bigtexxx and IC would be saying how much the test is a joke and doesn't prove anything.

 

Your hypothetical statement is dumb. Not "6 Wonderlic" dumb, but still dumb.


I'm withholding judgment until I hear an official score, but if it's a 6, then I think he will slip a few places in the draft.

 

I thought profootballtalk.com was created by the guy that originally ran what is now ESPN Insider. Is it really considered a joke?