[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

There is something funny about this. The raiders would trade up to pick leinart. Young is not an option?? He is only an option to us because he is from Houston? You are basically admitiing that by saying the raiders would take Leinart.

 

Maybe it has something to do with Leinart being from California...

 

Care to twist my post anymore?

I'll edit my post just to make you happy IC.

 

Vandemeer was on The Zone in Austin this morning and estimated that 65-70% of people inside the Texans organization want VY. He said they would likely trade down, but are strongly considering drafting Young and letting him back up Carr this season.

 

git'er done.

Dear Lowrd:

Bless all those pygmies over there in New Guinei. And please Lowrd, let us have that qb matic. this year. Lowrd, I'll even give up my tobaccer and dem der fruit panties, if we can just have dat dere Vince feller.

 

Dude! Vince Young is worth more to the Texans than than other teams because he is from Houston. Football is an entertainment business.

Fact is fact. He's damn good, he's as good as anyone in the Draft, but he is worth more to us (see, the "us" is the key here) It is not wrong to think that way. If he were from Green Bay Wisconson and this was 1966, Vince Lombardi would say "Winning isn't everything, it, along with pleasing the hometown fans, is the only thing."

 

Trading down is just stupid, everyone in the draft is a risk, pick either Vince or Reggie and live with it.

Getting an offensive or defensive lineman at number 6 is not going to impact you as much as Reggie or Vince.

DD

 

If Vince Young doesn't pan out then he is worthless to the texans. Along those lines if the team sucks, he is worthless too. Not everyone beats off to the longhorns.

 

Ya Dubious. Some beat off to McNeal and Fran's one winning season together.

 

I don't know what you are talking about ... trading down should definitely be an option. Yes, you are taking a risk later in the draft, but if the person doesn't pan out, then you are not stuck with a huge cap number for years. In our situation, I think I'd stick with the pick this year because of who is there for the taking (IMHO Reggie), but I think they should at least listen to offers. If the right deal presents itself, then pull the trigger, otherwise make your pick

 

Can't see how you can say this with a straight face looking at all the defensiveline/linebacker talent that has emerged in the past 2 drafts.

Derrick Johnson
Shawn Merriman
Demarcus Ware
Marcus Spears
Jonathan Vilma
Tommie Harris
Kenechi Udeze
Vince Wilfork
Marcus Tubbs
Dewayne Robertson
Nick Barnett

(and that's just the first round only)

When you compare it to the offensive talent taken.. the defensive talent seems to mature and contribute more often.

 

You're right, the #6 pick in the draft probably won't impact the team as much as Bush or Young, but the #6 pick, another second rounder, and a first or second round pick next year, will likely improve the team more than just Bush or Young. Ask the Chargers if they think trading down is stupid.

 

The Chargers made it to the playoffs once if I'm not mistaken since those trades, and were knocked out abruptly in the first round.

 

Agreed. Although I wouldn't want to trade down anywhere below the #6 pick, I'm sure there will be a couple teams looking to trade up for the Bush/Leinart/VY sweepstakes.

The Jets seem like a probably trading partner, they really need a QB and although his stock has risen quite a bit, I don't think Cutler would be worth such a high pick.

Trading down around #4-#7 gives us possible shots at D'Brick, Hawk, Mario Williams, all players we could use.

For kicks, I wonder if the Texans could trade Carr to teams that really need a QB for their picks. Carr/2nd Rounder for Raider's #5, Carr/3rd Rounder for Cardinals #10, Carr/3rd Rounder to Miami?

 

And they would have been a lot better had they just taken Vick or Manning. I doubt it.

 

It all depends on how good VY and Bush look in workouts and how much others are willing to pay.

-If they stay at #1, IMO VY should be the pick.

-If the Texans draft Bush, I hope they get him at #2 or #3 for someone dying for VY, plus an extra 2nd rounder or next year's first from NO or Ten.

-There is always a price, to move down to say between pick #4 (DBrick), I'd want at least next years 1st plus this years 3rd from the Jets.

-To move down to #5-#7 (Hawk, Williams?), I'd want this years 2nd, next years 1st and 3rd.

The Texans could also trade down multiple times, say trade #1 (VY) for #3 (Ten) + 07 1st + 06 3rd. Than if Bush is there at #3 take him (ML to NO at #2), or if not trade down to someone who will give you a lot for Matt Leinart--for instance Oakland at #6/#7 plus say a 4th 06 and 1st in 07. Then with that 6/7 pick you take a stud DE/OLB like Williams or Hawk. This way you have parlayed interest in VY and ML into a stud DE/OLB + plus 06 2nd + 06 4th + Oak 07 1st + Tenn 07 1st. You can build a team this way.

 

Desert Scar, you think the Titans with Norm Chow as their OC would rather have Young than Leinart? BTW, the Texans can't make all of those trades, they'd be in salary cap hell.

 

Yes, because I think Chow is a smart guy and knows (or will find out once he breaks them down in workouts) VY pretty much has the tools and intangebles as Leinart, than some. Unless VY shows much more mediocre workouts than I think I am pretty sure a lot of teams will have him as their #1 prospect.

Salary wise moving down isn't bad. Carrying an overall #1 pick (Bush/VY) plus another overall #1 in Carr is probably worse salarywise. Salaries drop astronomically as picks move away from the #1 pick and move in later draft rounds.

Contrary to what many may think, I am not totally against the Texans drafting Bush. But I sure hope they don't pay him overall 1st pick type money or leave other compensation on the table (other picks) that they may can get for trading down a slot or two and getting Bush by trading with Tenn or NO seeking a franchise QB. I think NO and Tenn will both set their aims on VY when the workouts are done, and they can be played because neither controls whether they get him. Or a team like Oak or the NJ could offer a decent pick (4,6,7) and the farm to get VY.

 

All today I was waiting for some mention of the UT football team at The White House. Paticularly VY faux paus of wearing jeans (suit wasn't sent on time) at the ceremony.

Highly dissapointed at you UT haters not jumping all over this incident. Go ahead now... spin and hate. You have my blessings.

 

Just heard on ESPN Radio this morning that Vince Young is going to SKIP the NFL Combine Workouts. They even had some scout from Atlanta commenting that with Young skipping the workouts, it's not gonna matter too much or diminish his value. At the end of the day, they still will have to look at the game tapes. I think with VY NOT doing the workouts, it makes it easier for the Texans to draft Bush.