[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Wow. 48 pages and counting.

EDIT: Make that 49.

 

Sorry, if we were picking 20th, this board would be chuck full of suggested trades: Carr and the 20th pick and next year's #1 and a #3 pick for the #1 pick this year.

 

Unless you have it displaying more pages per post! (This is page 37 for me).

 

where is the link to the 2005 and championship VY highlights?

 

www.jcdenton40.com

http://www.utexasclan.com/photos/videos.php

Enjoy!! The VY highlights on utclan is the best.

 

Decent article from NFLdraftcountdown.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/whos1.html

Also, in the 1994 draft, Houston selected McNair with the #3 pick while Cinci drafted Carter with the #1. I bet the Bengals wish they could have redone that one. There just hasn't been a good history of RBs going #1.

 

Wrong and wrong.

I have said the safest pick, safer than Bush, safer than Young is Matt Leinart. But the ceiling is nowhere near is high.

Further, when you break down ML and VY, I think the only advantage ML has is he played in more of a pro style offense. VY was more accurate with his passes and made fewer bad decisions during the Rose Bowl. Think it was a fluke? VY completed almost 70% of his passes against opponents with a winning record. If you think Texas WRs are open, how open were ML's better Wrs with better RBs behind him and a better Oline? By most accounts they think VY has the stronger arm. He definetly is taller, quicker and stronger.

I like Matt Leinart as a player. He is relatively athletic, can make most throws, plays well under pressure, and is a winner. I'd think hard on whether to build a team with him or David Carr.

I agree the Texans 1st job is determine their QB of the future. If they think one stands out as a potential game chaning franchise football player among VY, ML or Carr, you take that guy. If they are all about even, might as well stick with Carr and take Bush or trade down. But when you look at a combination of leadership, athleticism, size, decision making, composure and ability to make throws--Vince Young is simply off the charts in a way Carr and ML are not.

But this is the decision. Carr is 4 years older. You draft Bush #1 and keep Carr who have tied a monumental amount of money into two players. If either player fails to live up to what you hope, you are screwed.

Personally, I take my chances with VY and take what I can get (late 1st maybe) for Carr.

Not me yet, not even close. AP has a lot more to prove. Great freshman season, when like with Bush this year he had a great Oline and terrific weapons (three 1st day WRs and Heisman QB) all around him. AP needs to stay healthy as a workhorse and massively produce in less optimal conditions to be anywhere near an #1 overall type pick as a running back. It is why the thought of Bush returning to college was so ludicrous. To go back with a rebuilt Oline, and no ML (or LenDale or Byrd) to make sure the opponents could not key on him would have been utterly stupid as a for sure top 3 draft prospect without having to go through such tests. I am pretty sure AP would have left for the pros after his frosh season if they would have let him, particular if he knew how his soph season was going to go.

Very true.

Seriously guys. Has anyone ever seen a better performance in a big game by a college football player. Ever? Has anyone ever seen a single college football player who was as dominant over a 1.5 year stretch as we saw VY be, ever? (yes he had some lesser games, no one is saying he is superman or a perfect football player, other greats have some bad quarters and bad games over a cumulative strecth).

Having concerns about whether VY will be a great pro QB are fine to have. Some of the most special college football players I have seen--Bo Jackson, Ty Detmer (beat a great Miami team by him simply being in a zone), Vinny T (until the Fiesta Bowl debacle), Hershell, Charlie Ward, Ricky Williams, Rodney Peete (IMO a better college football player than the across town Troy Aikman), Mick Vick, and probably the most dominant and special single college player I recall pre-VY, yes, one Doug Flutie, havn't been special in the pros.

But to try to act like what he has done on the field isn't the most important reason most of us think the Texans should be taking VY is silly. I certainly wasn't pushing Ced Benson on the Texans or anyone else last year, in fact I thought he was overrated as a pro prospect. Like I said, VY or Flutie probably have had the most positive impact by an individual towards his team winning games I have seen in college football (my definition of greatness anyway). Had Flutie been 6'4 or 6'5", he probably would have been a heck of an NFLer too.

 

I'll have to disagree with you on this point DS because I think that Matt Leinart is the biggest risk of the three players. He has Drew Bledsoe mobility and Joey Harrington arm strength. However, he is deadly accurate and already knows how to run a pro style offense, but the other factors could make his transition to the NFL difficult.

Bush and Young are as close to sure things as you can get. At worst VY will be another Vick, a dynamic running QB who can't read a defense.

 

Young is not a better accuracy guy than Leinart, i don't care what "stat" you show me. He just isn't

Peterson was hurt all year, you did not even mention that. Remember the "young is not a leader quote", i am not sure why i even read your posts

 

Uh...

I'm pretty sure that's him alluding to AP's health issues last season. AP is going to be a great running back, IMO. He ain't there yet, though. If he were able to be in this draft, he wouldn't even be part of the argument between Bush and VY. We'll see what he's got this year as it's going to be another year behind a less than stellar O-Line.

 

Peterson was ineffective this year mainly because of his ankle. He did not mention the health thing as to his performance. The only thing he said was that peterson needs to stay healthy.

 

They just said on NFL Live that Young absolutely wowed the Texans in an interview this week.

 

and so it begins.

 

I am not sure why you even read my posts either because you always seem to miss major points I make. Please do stop reading if you are going to retort like that.

Hell, I have broken down on tape number of times for ya'll (how many missed throws, almost INTs, etc) AND the stats bear it out too.

What part of "needs to stay healthy" implies I thought AP WAS injury-free last year? You think draft scouts are only going to base AP's value/potential based on his 1st year when he was healthy, had a great Oline, and had weapons all around him if he isn't mostly injury free as a junior or senior while he is THE central feature of the Sooner offense? You think last year when he was injured for some games and played some games with injuries and was overall less effective of a player helped his draft case?

 

file this one under "don't bother me with the facts".

 

Stats don't mean everything.

See: Andre Ware and David Klingler.

 

I didn't realize that the Texans have already interviewed VY. I would think that John McClain or Dick Justice would have broken this info before NFL Live would.

 

Of course stats aren't EVERYTHING, but how else would you back up that VY is or is not a better "accuracy guy" than ML?? Does he just look more like an accuracy guy?

I think we all know stats don't mean much, afterall how many basketball players have inflated stats by playing for horrible teams. Funny how the opposite is true for football players; the better your team, the more likely you'll have better stats.

 

Thats the thing. VY has the stats, the size, the team wins, the work ethic, the composure under pressure, the intangebles, the unreal athleticsim, and most importantly, the plays on the field to support his case. The biggest concerns so far seem to me are that he played in a non pro style offfense, a funky throwing motion, and maybe only has a good arm instead of a great one. A lot of HoFers and great NFL QBs have bigger limitations and much greater questionmarks coming into the draft than that.

Sure he may fail at the next level, but I wouldn't count on it. He has as much going for him as any college player I have seen in quite some time. Not perfect, he has flaws and concerns, but when you put it all together, way to unique of blend of talent and intangebles (especially leadership abilities) to pass up.

 

Yeah! Get out of here with your stats and facts!