[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Good call Bassfly. We need a running list of all the myths that have been debunked over the last few weeks:

- All Vince does is run, he can't pass
- Throwing motion smack
- His receivers are always wide open
- His superior O-line was the reason behind the success
- PAC-10 defenses are equal to Big XII defenses

And the latest piece of work:
- He didn't finish #1 in the NFL skills competition

Some great stuff here!

 

Myth #4,567: Reggie Bush's farts smell better than Vince Young's farts.
Myth #4,568: Vince Young is better than Reggie Bush at bowling.
Myth #4,569: 4 out of 5 dentists prefer the taste of Reggie Bush over Vince Young.
Myth #4,570: The Dead Sea Scrolls are actually a series of love letters devoted to Vince Young written by DaDakota's ancestors.

 

Mack and Young will be on Oprah .

Mack is starting to get free national recruiting pub like Coach K.

Edit: looks like its gonna be a Mathew M. show with a special apperance by some Longhorns.

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball....nnel_id=&url_article_id=1930&change_well_id=2

 

I would base it on his last year.

 

remember when they played the games and VY came out on top???

yeah??? i remember that too.

 

A- he did pass effectively, we will see if it was all scheme. The NFL is much tougher to throw in. The jury is out on this.
B- The throwing motion is hideous, we will see if this matters.
- C -His Receivers are usually wide open, that is not a bad thing. But he will need to make tougher throws in the NFL.
-D- The O-Line was very good. It was a huge help, he could have pitched a tent back there.
E- Pac 10 defenses are no worse than Big 12 defenses. The defenses were both bad with a few exceptions. The fact of the matter is that the PAC 10 boasts some of the best offenses in College Football and is a historically offensive conference. This is a stupid argument anyways. Bush would have dominated the big 12, young would have dominated the ACC.

Skills competition- pretty irrelevant, but it would have been nice to see him win

Last- We are not picking him anyways, so it really doesn't matter. I hope he has a great career with the titans so i can make money off of him.

 

this argument would carry a lot more water if we hadn't seen VY make tough throws in big situations. but since i've seen that, i know he can do it. hell, i saw him do it at the high school level, but you don't have to watch a ton of UT games to know that he's accurate.

 

interesting...

I sorted this forum from the beginning to now and of top 27 most viewed threads in the forum, 18 are about the Astros, 2 are about Vince, and one is about the 2003 draft.

The Texans are nowhere on the map in here except for this debate. the same is true EVERYWHERE. The Texans are not present in people's minds...except for the Vincanity.

 

The Vincanity has even got your math skills out of whack. Top 27? 18+2+1=21

 

Yes, all things being equal, you take a QB over an RB. That is why the Texans took Carr when talents like Peppers were available. But things are NOT equal. Reggie Bush is the highest rated RB to come out in years. Vince Young isn't the highest rated QB in this draft.

Secondly, we have a QB who has all the tools and can make all the throws. He hasn't been great yet, but he hasn't much of a chance. Domanick Davis is also very good, but he has to big flaws- he is injury prone and he does not have breakaway speed.

I would believe you guys truly buy this "QB is more valuable" argument if some of you actually supported drafting Matt Leinart.

 

I swear Mr. Clutch, that has to be about the 50th time you've mentioned drafting Leinart. The reason why Leinart is not being discussed is that he is the same type of QB as Carr, and VY is a completely different player than both of those guys.

It's like if L. White was the highest rated RB in this year's draft, would we be talking about drafting him when we have DD? Probably not since they are similar backs, however, RB is a different type of back and that's why we're discussing it.

An interesting question we should ask ourselves is hypothetically, if Carr was in this year's draft along with VY, who would we take? Who was rated higher at the time? Who would we want to lead this team?

 

No, the reason Leinart isn't mentioned is because people are biased towards Young. And the fact that no one mentons the best QB prospect in the draft (Leinart) shows that all this talking of having to draft a QB is bogus. People want VY and they are entitled to their opinion. Just don't try to tell me that the reasoning is based on drafting a QB over an RB.

The fact that Carr and Leinart are similar in style is totally irrelevant. Are you saying you wouldn't want Peyton Manning because he is a pocket passer like Carr? Of course not, you want the BEST player regardless of style. I'd take Manning in a second.

Your question about LenDale White isn't that simple. If he was the highest rated RB, then this would be a weak RB draft and no we wouldn't want him. But if he was rated like Earl Campbell then YES I would want him! Once again, style is irrelevant.

If Carr was in this draft, I'd probably take VY. But that really has nothing to do with this discussion. We won't be able to trade Carr for VY straight up, plus VY will require a couple of years on the bench.

 

It's pure homer hero worship, sure, but homerism is a valid factor. Isn't it?
We watch for fun, not because we have our personal ego at stake in Mr. McNairs team's final outcome, don't we? All things being equal a dramatic story is more entertaining than how many games you miss the Super Bowl by. 30 of 32 teams will miss every year and some teams , even pretty good teams can go a generation without getting into one. So lets get Vince and watch the show, win or lose it should be pretty entertaining, better than what we been watching (and whose fault was that, Charlie?)

The Run and Shoot offense had some shortcomings but but being dull wasn't one of them. You didn't need T-shirts ands Kisscams to keep the crowd from nodding off (although with the number of TV time outs football is getting almost unwatchable anyway...Tivo baby, watch a football game in under an hour, but I digress) Tweak it a Bronco-bit with Vince and you got yourself a whole new paradigm. Kubiak could be considered a football genius.

If this is Vincianity, I don't want to be sane.

 

Agree 100% on your point on Manning. Besides Leinart and Carr both being white and QBS they have about as much in common as Vince Young and Byron Leftwich.

If Adrian Peterson was in the draft I think everybody would want him just like Bush

 

AP has got to put up to match his rep or he'll has some splainin to do.

 

If you take Vince Young and make him from Boston College and his team just went undefeated and won the National Championship over the previous undefeated, #1 ranked team, who were the defending champions last year, with the scintillating performance that Young had, we would still be arguing over who to draft, Vince or Reggie, because our team was sooooo bad last year and Vince looked like he was from another planet in the Rose Bowl.

And I would bet that the Texans would still be trying to figure out who to take with the #1 pick, Houston born and bred, or not.

Take the home town out of it and evaluate the players. There would still be a large contingent of fans that are not happy with Carr. (Incidentally, I think Carr is an above average QB who will win a lot of games during his career, maybe even some playoff games, and he may even get to and win a Super Bowl.) And there is a large contingent of fans who simply think Young is a difference maker, a Joe Namath/John Elway/Terry Bradshaw/Joe Montana type QB whereas Carr is a Ken Andersen/Craig Morton type QB, regardless of where he is from. I happen to fall into that category.

Vince is NOT being hyped just because he is from Houston. Him being from Houston is the icing on the cake.

 

But you're acting as like Leinart is so much highly rated than VY, which he isn't. They are both different players so if we wanted a good pocket passer like Leinart, then you take him, but if you want a different type of QB like VY, then you take him. It's not like Leinart is clearly the better player, so trying to throw him in the mix isn't that much of an argument to me. They are different players and right now, we are looking at VY, not Leinart.

Not sure why we can't use the QB over a RB argument. Quarterbacks are the face of the team, good QBs are much harder to find than good RBs (I'm sure you can agree with that). VY has all the potential in the world to be a great QB in the NFL. If you look at the good RBs in the league right now, hardly any of them were picked in the Top10, let alone the #1 overall. Kubiak has found gem after gem in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc..of every draft, you don't need to use a #1 overall pick to find a good running back, the same cannot be said about good QBs.

As I said, I firmly believe that QBs are much more important than RBs. They are the face of the team and usually the leader. You saying you would take VY over Carr means that you think VY will be a better QB than Carr so it does have some relevance.

 

I love this quote.

 

The Hype is exagerated by the convergence, Vince, who he is doing what he's done and the fact that The Houston Texans have the #1 draft pick. If the Texans were picking 20th, Vince would be our college hero and off to be a pro somewhere else. We'd wish him well and follow his career with more than Roy Williams attention. Or if he was from Boston College and did what he did, we'd all be thinking we need to trade down. But the reality is what it is...Vincanity. The Leap of Faith has been made.

Kubes will work it out and we will all live with it. But he better.......

 

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