[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

After watching that debacle, I'm not sure you even need a QB to win it.



to KT, you have to admit, the Bush guys have been pretty hard on Vince. Sure, they'll feign a compliment here or there, but these guys have been anti Vince and some I think are just anti UT. They've been like that from the get go. I think Ic2K and bigtexx would both admit that.

 

All your immaturity are belong to us.

 

Okay, seriously, my heads about to explode. Just hurry up with the draft already, so we can get to b****ing about who we should have taken.

 

Yeah, you need a QB like Big Ben, who promised The Bus that he would drive him to the promised land, and delivered, and who then was able to elevate the play of his team to win a game even when he was having an off game. He's a great leader. You can't measure that on the stat page.

 

Yeah, there were absolutely zero Bush fans gloating after Kubiak's initial press conference where he praised Carr. Zero.

Obviously, you cannot handle this debate without resorting to personal attacks. Maybe you should take your "discussion" elsewhere if you can't handle people who disagree with you on a freaking NFL draft pick.

 

And New England used a QB drafted in the 6th round to win 3 Super Bowls in the last 5 years. St Louis won the super bowl a few years ago with a high powered offense and average at best defense. The blueprint for winning isn't always the same.

 

Which is exactly why we should take Vince, he changes the blueprint......



Good enough for you KVtosser?

DD

 

If the Texan's don't trade down at least once they aren't doing the best thing for the team. As a poor overall team, you have to cash in on the irrational exuberence around Reggie Bush to get more second and third round picks; this draft is very strong in the second and third.

That being said I hope its a trade down once and still get Vince.

 

I am not anti UT, i am anti Vince

 

Wow, I go out of town and this thread reaches 47 pages! For those who question what Reggie Bush will bring to the Texans, I refer you to that game breaking 75 yard TD run yesterday by Pittsburgh RB Parker. That's what Reggie Bush would bring to this team. He'd give them a dimension that this team simply won't have with Dominick Davis. I think the choice between the two will ultimately hinge on Kubiak's evaluation of David Carr.

To be fair, the Texans organization has failed miserably in putting a good team around Carr so much to the point that he may very well now be damaged goods. We really don't know what he can do if placed in a good environment. He could be really good or just another Matt Hasselback. As far as technical QB abilities, Carr has shown that he can make all of the throws and has touch on long passes. The first extensive draft reports on Vince point out just how much he benefited from the Texas offense design that was able to get receivers so wide open. Pro scouts have already noted that Young almost always scrambles to his right and they are somewhat critical of his passing accuracy so he would have to really work on these issues which of course will take some time.

If they commit to Vince and pass on Bush, then, to me, that will be a signal that Kubiak plans on a complete rebuilding of the Texans because I feel that VY is a minimum of 2 years away from being ready to start and they would have to create an offensive scheme that fits his "unique" skill set. Plus, there's no telling what they will be doing on the defensive side which also has to be completely retooled. What concerns me the most is that the same folks that brought you Jason Babin are still around to continue to screw up personnel decisions ala Carroll Dawson and the Rockets. And we've all seen how well that's worked out...

 

The problem with running backs like that is what they do on all their non 75-yard carries. Parker had 18 yards on his other 9 carries. You also saw this in the other playoff games - he didn't have that breakaway run, so he had 38, 59, and 35 yards total in each of the other 3 playoff games.

You don't draft a running back for those 2 times a season that he'll break 50+ yard runs. Both DD and Willie Parker had a pair of 40-50 yarders this year. Willie P had two runs (including yesterday) longer than 50 in 19 games. So if that's your comparison, then spending a #1 pick to get that kind of ability is a waste of a pick.

 

I have my reasons for preferring Bush. I'm not anti-VY. If we draft VY, fine. I won't expect results as soon, but I think he'll have a good career in Houston. I only prefer Bush, because I think that might compliment our existing players on offense. I see him impacting our existing RB and WR core. I guess I have more faith in Carr than most here. I believe Carr can perform better. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on him.

I don't have as much faith in DD, because he's unreliable. His backups are not impact players. Bush can relieve DD or play in the slot. He's great in the open field. Assuming that Carr gets the protection he deserves, he will have more targets. I think Carr is perfect for Kubiak's style of offense.

I don't believe that a single player in football is greater than the sum. With Bush, I think that the sum is higher overall. With Young, you still have DD and 1 receiver.

 

Nah, I think your just pro-IC2000. But you and DaDa just cancel each other out returning the the ying and yang of selfindulgent irrationality back to 0.

 

You have got to be kidding if you think the Bush supporters have lead to a respectfull debate on merits, with a few exceptions (stevelI, swilkens?)

If anything the playoffs shows the value of a QB who can make plays and keep a cool head. Big Ben was far more important to the Stealers superbowl run (including Cincy, Colts and Denver) than Willie Parker (as was Hasselbeck over Alexander), and Big Ben and Hasselbeck IMO are far from special QBs, at least yet.

Seeing Plummer, Big Ben, Delhomme and Hasselback play over the last 3 games of the season with all the marbles at stake only further my confidence what someone with VY's talent, compusure and leadership could do out there--total difference maker. He could easily be one of the handfull of players in 2 years that give scheme's like the Stealers fits because he can kill the overaggressive upfield pursuit of the QB via his scrambling and arm ont he run. And you know he is going to stay cool in any situation.

With the lack of NFL QBs with athleticism and composure VY's value went way up this playoffs. Who wouldn't want a blend of Vick and Big Ben who is calmer than either.

 

For those of you talking about how Bush can break a run like Willie Parker...you are right.

BUT....so can Vince....and he can do it on a busted play, and has more opportunity to do it.

DD

 

Bush gives us an explosive offensive weapon.. but man Vince is just something else. I think Vince could make up for Bush's production just by his scrambling ability. Not necessarily yards he'll run, but being able to evade the pass rush and keep the play alive. I've seen so many big plays that happen because a QB is flushed out of the pocket, then escapes long enough to make a big play to a reciever who was able to find the open spot. Much like Big Ben in last nights game to Hines Ward. I don't remember seeing Carr doing that.. I always remember him getting dragged down or running out of bounds for a sack.

 

Bush>>>>>>VY. Especially for the Texans.

I don't know if the players were trying or not during the the skills competition but the only part I was impressed by Young with was the scarmbling drill (one he better win going againsy Olsen, Croyle and Whitehurst).

He definitely had some pep on his passes but i wouldn't say getting beat by Drew Olsen and Croyle is something that impresses me. None of those guys are first round picks. Olsen was theo nly guy who was honestly impressive in the accuracy department and nobody impressed me in the arm strength portion.

Just my opinion though

 

Honestly...

Do you want your QB running the ball? Do you want to make him a target? QB's in the league get hit enough staying in the pocket. How long do you think his career would be if he ran the ball all the time?

 

IIRC, David Carr was second in the league in rushing yards for a QB. The question should really be: Who would you rather have running the ball in those situations? VY or Carr?

 

None. I don't want Carr to run either.