[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Totally different situations!!!!!!

 

Dude, whatever.......

Competition drives people to do better things.

Carr has been coddled, draft Vince and see how Carr responds, champions step up and OWN the job.

Cowards shrivel up...and hide.

If Carr steps up, you can trade Young...if not...well....

DD

 

Bush did rack 100 yards receiving. You have to remember too that Lendale White played a great game and is a star in his own right. I don't think you can use one game's worth of stats to judge the guy. He got less yards against Hawaii, UW, and Cal. Those "Pac-10 defenses" get a bad wrap in general. USC piled up the points and yards against UT pretty easily (and vice versa).

Can the Texans package the number one and David Carr for the number 2 or 3 and some more picks/players?

Some lucky team (NOLA?) could get Carr (still a young guy with a lot of potential) AND Reggie Bush in one fell swoop. 2 number one overall picks to build a backfield around sounds pretty good.

If the Texans want VY - they won't need Carr and probably don't have to use the #1 to get him. Might as well get some freebies.

 

call me an idiot...but I could have sworn that the only bright spot for the TEXANS was their decent running game? that might be the ONLY position without a hole in it.

 

Well done

 

Bingo. Beat me to it. I've been thinking that Steve Young is the more appropriate comparison than all of these other names being thrown out there (although McNair is another good comparison). My gut feeling is that we have an opportunity to draft a Steve Young. Steve was known for his scrambling but still had an excellent career, was a Super Bowl winner, and a HOF.

I was watching the Niners/Vikings one day, when Young scrambles for his life, cuts all over the field, and if I recall correctly, runs for a TD from like 50 yards. My favorite QB scramble run to this day. It was so awesome, I think it is even mentioned in Wikipedia:

"In a 1988 playoff game, the scrambling southpaw shredded the Minnesota Vikings for a 49-yard, game-winning touchdown."

Some other spooky facts I came up with:
Both Youngs
Steve = 5 letters, Vince = 5 letters
Both finished second in Heisman voting
Both scored game-winning TD in final college bowl appearance
Drafted #1
Team drafting had record of 2-14

 

Bush Maybe Barry Sanders but
that is not a good thing

The thing I look at with Poor Barry
is he was so Good . . the dragged and pulled detroit
as far as he could

He just guaranteed them a middle of the road draft pict
He was so good they never got the help he needed
[detroit was terrible with picks . and honestly i don't trust Casserly anymore]

I worry that this is the BEST case senario for Bush and the Texans

Rocket River

 

I agree
I think honestly
CARR SUFFERS FROM A LACK OF COMPETITION
no matter what he does. . he knows he is starting
I think that keep him from getting better

Rocket River

 

I posted this in another thread, but since this is the official VY vs. RB thread I'll repost it here. . .with a few updates.

Many people mention that "one great game" shouldn't be enough to move VY over Leinart or Bush. However they fail to mention that it was "one great game" (alright admittedly 1 and a half) that catapulted Bush over VY in the Heisman polls. Then everyone jumped on the Bush bandwagon, starting drinking the USC Kool-Aid and the rest is history. I distinctly remember VY having a "comfortable" lead over Bush in the weekly ESPN Heisman polls up until the Fresno State game.

I mean to put it into prespective Reggie didn't even break Steve Breaston's mark for all-purpose yards in last year's Rose Bowl. Breaston was WR too, got fewer touches, and didn't have a Heisman Trophy quarterback throwing to him. Not to take anything away from Bush, we all know he's a great player, but I don't see his college performances translating him into a mega-star in the NFL. We all saw how Texas's fast defense was able to limit him, and NFL defenses are just as fast if not faster. However when he gets open he takes off faster than I think I've ever seen anyone take off . But speed is overrated for RBs, and Reggie is also not a every down back despite the claims otherwise. If he could run between the tackles instead of trying to turn the corner on every other play, I don't think he would've sat on the sidelines on most of USC's short yardage situations.

The Texans, from what I've read, (and I admit I'm not the most informed on their motives) have consistently stated their intention to pick Bush with the No. 1 pick. Everyone knows the smart move would be to trade down and pick up a few good linemen, afterall that's obviously what the Texans need. However, a highlight reel player like Bush brings people to the stadium, and others to their sofas in front of the TV. Vick is a perfect example of this. So clearly this isn't so much about winning as it is about $$. And if it is about $$ the Texans would be smart to draft Young. Being a native Houstonian he would instantly boost interest in the team, increase merchandise sales, and help fill the stadium every Sunday. Clemens, Drexler, Hakeem, etc. are good examples of this. From what I've heard he was even drawing huge crowds when he was playing for Madison. So in conclusion that's why I think the Texans should draft VY, for the $$ cuz that's clearly their main priority (not that there's anything wrong with that). I think they're still leaning toward Bush, but there will be a lot of pressure put on the Texans over the next few months to lean the other way.

 

To even suggest that the Texans have already decided on who they plan to pick #1 without first having a head coach in place is probably the dumbest thing I've heard here in a long time.

 

As an RB, Bush must earn his keep rushing first, or he will get few chances at receiving. And 26 of those 95 receiving were garbage yards when UT was in prevent defense on the next to last play of the game, so he only had 69 the rest of the game.

White played more as the game progressed because Bush could not get it done. Ten (for 54 yards) of Bush's 13 carries came in the first half, when SC only scored 10 points (thanks more to a UT fumble than his running).

As for the Pac-10 defenses...they get a bad wrap because they suck. What makes you think that they're good?

 

how about VY and WHITE?

has anyone pondered this idea....trade up into the first rd and get white....he would compliment DD well....and we get VY to groom behind Carr for a season or 2.....but i heard rumors that Green Bay likes white at 5...and that would kill this idea.... =)

 

Steve McNair throws 10x better than Vince Young does and so comparing VY to him is a stretch. Comparing VY to Steve Young is just unfathomable to me. Just my opinion though.

Honestly I think the best move is to trade the pick "IF" the Texans can get enough out of another team. There are a lot better areas for this team to improve on rather than QB and RB. However if no trade can be made, then you have to take the best player on the board at #1, and that player is Reggie Bush.

 

How about putting this in the sticky: [Official] Bush Or Young or Someone else thread.

it can be found here: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=107174&z=1

Too many VY/Bush/Draft threads

 

Steve McNair had the luxury of sitting a couple of years before he took on the starting job...His mechanics weren't bad, but they weren't great (upside)...I agree we have so many other needs, but the best athlete/player on the board is Vince Young, period (see past two Rose Bowls and entire college career)...VY has unique competitiveness, toughness, leadership or heart...

 

Frank Gore is dyslexic ~ obviously you're trying to disparage a man who has overcome a learning disability (and two blown knees) to make the NFL.

 

I did say it was a hunch. That's all we can do, make educated guesses, since our task is try to predict the future over the next 3-10 years. Don't misunderstand, I don't think most pro-VY folks are expecting miracles right away, so in 2006 I'm not expecting a McNair/SYoung in their prime.

Unfathomable? Don't forget Steve Young was deemed a bust so Tampa Bay saw fit to trade him. And McNair didn't unseat Chandler for a good while.

As to your last point, two words: Charley Casserly. Stocking draftpicks is of dubious merit when you have him as your GM. Otherwise, I would be very open to the idea.

 

That was brilliant.

 

True. Bush did not play well. I just don't think he laid an egg either. I did expect more out of him.

I think the Pac 10 gets a bad rap in general. A lot of people like to claim how great the UT defense was and how they "stopped" Reggie Bush. From what I saw, the UT defense stopped USC as well as a lot of those "crappy" Pac 10 defenses.

I'm not saying that their defenses are good - I just think the conference in general doesn't get any respect. If the vaunted Texas defense gave up 550+ yards and 38 points to USC, maybe that just says something about the quality of Pac 10 offenses.

 

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