[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Concussions can turn a superbowl MVP into a scrub. Just ask Kurt Warner.

 

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Fair enough, but I find it hard to believe that a competent QB can turn a bad team (they were 6-10 two years ago) into the best team in the league the last two years, with an AFC title game appearance, a 15-1 record last year (including defeating the top two teams in the league when they were undefeated), and a superbowl appearance this year. Not to mention, said competent QB managed to be 3rd in the league in pass efficiency, and lead his team to multiple wins when the great running game didn't produce anything.

Sorry, but Big Ben is far more than a competent QB.

 

Depends on whom you ask.

 

Brady Quinn - if the position is a need next season. I certainly wouldn't mind a guy from a major program that has played for 4 seasons against top level competition for the coach that developed Tim Brady.

 

Of course, this assumes that they are the worst team in the NFL again next season. Quinn is currently projected as the top pick in next year's draft.

 

We could certainly trade for the pick ala the Atlanta Falcons ect....

 

The Texans aren't drafting VY so sad....

Do you know the last time the highest rated player in a draft took an NFL team to a Super Bowl.

Does Seattle or Pittsburgh have the highest rated player in a draft on their roster.

I wish we had a GM who could trade the pick and make very good multiple draft picks.

Do you know that the Steelers rebuilt their team through the draft during the same time period (last four drafts) that the Texans destroyed their roster?

The Steelers have 11 players starting in the Super Bowl Sunday who they drafted after the Texans passed on them during the last four drafts. And they have several more players they recently drafted who are key back ups and will get plenty of playing time.

Teams don't make the playoffs by having the #1 overall pick, they build Super Bowl teams by drafting well.

I wouldn't take a RB #1 over all unless you can rebuild the team around that RB- and his name would be Earl Campbell, not Reggie Bush.


Just trade the pick.

 

Just a question - if you could go back a draft Sanders or Faulk with the first pick would you have done it? I think Bush has this type of potential. That being said, if they got a sweet package for the pick I would probably trade the pick as well. If we got a first next season and Carr did show that he was not the answer I would be for trading up to grab Quinn.

 

Care to provide examples?

Pittsburgh might not rack up 150 yards each game, but have you seen the way opposing defenses consistently bite on their play action? It's more effective than the Broncos and Falcons..

Just because a team doesn't completely bulldoze another with the running game doesn't mean that their running reputation didn't help.. not to mention one of the most consistently good defenses we've seen over the past 4-5 years.

 

See you understand the game, arguing with some on here is pointless becasuse I think they don't understand how the game truly works.

 

Honestly there's no point in debating with you because Vince Young can obviously no win you over even with one of the greatest individual seasons in college football history. Vince Young is higher rated than McNabb was coming out of college but you don't accept that.

I honestly don't know what he could have done to impress you.

 

Why is the VY vs. Reggie debate only hot in Texas then? Or more specifically Houston. It seems like all the National media assumes it to be Bush.

 

so you are saying that no national media guys have advocated taking vince 1 because you would wrong about that. they just believe the texans have made up their mind.

 

I'm all for Vince. The media would love nothing more than to stir up a controversy. I don't think they would downplay the debate just because the Texans wanted Bush prior to the Rose bowl. You would just imagine if the choice is as tough as it seems on here, PTI/ESPN would be talking more in-depth about it.

And for the record, I've wanted Vince. But I love both, so I'm happy either way.

 

Yes I would.

Same goes for Troy Polamalu, Julius Peppers and Carlson Palmer and they haven't gotten to the Hall of Fame level yet.

That's how hindsight works.

Let me explain the difference in Sanders, Faulk and Bush's potential coming out of college-

Sanders and Faulk carried the load at running back for their college teams, they were workhorse backs who though small ran inside outside, in tough situations and through tackles.

I don't think Sanders or Faulk in college were as good as Bush is in open field.

So when looking at potential you have to weigh alot of things out.

I'm admittedly nervous that Bush will become a situational player in the NFL instead of a Tony Dorsett (who I think benefitted extra from the O-line he played behind)

If Bush had ran hard in tight qtrs during his college career and got tough yards I would feel like he is a better RB prospect than both Sanders and Faulk.

I watched him- he didn't- I know I know they had White. That doesn't make me feel better.

See I watched Bush lower his shoulder and deck a Texas defender in the Rose Bowl- I thought to myself he's showing he can dish it out. But then I watched him get up with a grimace and I watched him shy away from that type contact the rest of the game.

That's more of a Tony Dorsett than a Barry Sanders or Faulk.

If he's Dorsett- wow that's great especially behind the right O-line.

But if he becomes a situational player who can make occasional big plays- why in the world would you make him the #1 overall pick.

He will just be a piece to the puzzle- I firmly believe the season you have the #1 overall pick you must take a franchise player- especially when you are rebuilding.

Time will prove that the Texans were at best a 4-5 win team last season and their talent WAS= to their record. They won 2 games- might have won 4-5 if they had closed out correctly on some other games. But believe me this team needs to be over hauled.

The team need a safety, a cornerback, 2- D-linemen, 2- linebackers, a tight end, a wide out, 3 O-linemen and quality depth.

Other than that we are fine.

 

I wish I knew how to cut quotes out of your quote, because I agree with most of what you are saying here.. I will agree that Carr probably wasn't worhty of the being the top pick when he came out. I personally would have drafted Peppers. That being said, I have seen enough from Carr to show me that he could become another Aikman. I think Aikman was a good QB, not at the Elway, Young, Montana level but good. I think he numbers were very good because he had terrific talent around him. Carr's line sucks. You have mentioned that he doesn't show pocket presense, I would argue he rarely has a pocket. His receivers really do suck - AJ excluded. As for checking down at the line, last year the coaching staff wouldn't let him check to a pass - it was reported that he could only check to a run or change the side the run was going to. I can certainly understand loving VY and wanting him on your team, and if Carr was tradeable and you could get a good package for him than I would certainly consider VY. I do really like Bush. I think he will be a TD machine in the league, even if he only touches the ball 15-18 times a game. I think opposing Ds will have to watch him closely freeing up AJ and DD. That's just my opinion. BTW, you mentioned where do we go if Carr isn't the answer and we pass on VY - see my previous posts about Quinn.

 

I hear you, but I think he will be able to function fine between the tackles - that's just my opinion. We do have some holes to fill though -hopefully with the raise in SC we can pick up a couple of good FAs, hopefully our younger players will step up, and Casserly is due a couple of good picks in this draft, I mean the sun has to shine on a dog's ass some of the time.

 

I can understand that, I just don't get why some people don't accept the fact that Young is a top prospect. Who cares if it took the National Championship game for people to realize how talented he is. The fact is he has done it all season.

personally I've never been in the take bush camp, but at least I can accept how special he is.

 

Sure - their very last game. Running game produced 90 yards on 33 attempts, for a fantastic 2.7 yards per carry. Denver forced 3rd downs consistently - and 3rd and long, more often than not. Pittsburgh converted them at a ridiculous rate (10 of 16 overall - something like 7 of 8 in the first half, I think), without the threat of play action on 3rd and long. The passing game went 21-29 for 270 yards and scored 24 points in the first half, with minimal threat of the running game. They also threw for more plays than they ran in the 1st half.

(Their previous game against Indy, they also ran for a whopping 2.7 yards per carry)