[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

I'm leaning that way also, but both players turned out to be league MVPs.

Granted it's against much weaker competition I didn't realize Steve McNair was such a great running QB in college. This site says he had over 4,000 yards passing and 2,000 yards rushing his senior season compared to 3,000 and 1,000 for VY. Damn! Is that right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_McNair

 

McNair was an amazing college player. The thing that has happened to Steve (and is starting to happen to McNabb) is what i fear for Vince. They are all upright runners and therefore they take big shots on a consistant basis. Even Culpepper who's huge tore his whole knee up. We all know about Vick and he doesn't even fit into the group.

Scrambling QB's are going to get hurt. The defensive speed in the NFL now is so great that it's nearly impossible for these guys to avoid big hits unless they choose not to scramble. Vick tried to be more of a pocket passer and he sucked this season. It's not really an element you want to take away.

I understand rb's can get hurt too but i just personally feel that Bush is more of a lock then Vince. It's not that i don't think VY can be a great player but I think that Bush is just a guy you can't pass on. I know Young supporters feel the same way about Vince. It's just watching highlights of Bush and you see things that you have oonly seen out of the all time greats (moves). With Vince, we don't know. We know he's a winner at the college level and a great clutch player but we've seen that. He just worries me because i think he's boom or bust. If the texans draft a QB twice in 4 years and they both end up not working out our franchise is a joke.

 

I disagree. Some do understand that both will be fine players. I didn't say that I prefer Bush, because of what VY lacks. I believe that Bush would benefit our current offense in that we can utilize him at RB, while resting Davis (because he has been prone to injury), as well as line him up in the slot (another WR threat) with Davis at RB. If we draft Young, we don't have enough reliable talent at RB. Our WR core would still need help. Also, Bush is great in the open field. VY is great in the open field (if you want a rushing QB), because of his decision making and physical presence.

I would be happy with Bush, Young, or trading the pick.

I just want to win.

 

Every QB scrambles, it's just some do it better than other and some don't have to all that much. The whole purpose of scrambling is to avoid the big hits and sacks, saying these guys can only avoid big hits if they choose not to scramble is wrong.

For every scrambling QB that gets hurt, there are 2-3 pocket passers that get hurt first. Chad Pennington is the most injury prone QB in the league and he almost never leaves the pocket. Look at what happen to Palmer in the playoffs. To say scrambling QBs will get hurt w/o mentioning how many pocket passers get hurt a year is a little biased in my opinion.

 

I agree. Perhaps he meant QB's that utilize their rushing skills as part of the offensive attack.

All QB's scramble. Some do it better than others.

 

Skip Bayless said VY?

Crap....no chance of that now.

DD

 

Heh, for some reason I was listening to 610 earlier this afternoon, and Rich Lord was saying that the Texans would've had a better record this past season if they had a rookie VY instead of Carr. What an assclown, at least Vandermeer disagreed

 

Well he is completely right.

Vince would have won games with his legs, and players will play harder for Vince than Carr.

DD

 

I think the hype for Young has now reached or passed Bush's here in Houston.

 

I remember seeing Jim Rome interviewing some NFL linebacker who was asked who is the hardest NFL QB to "bring down." The linebacker's answer was surprising: Drew Bledsoe.

Rome acted surprised. The LB understood his surprise but was focused on Bledsoe's powerful stature which literally made him difficult to bring down rather than his ability to escape a passrush.

Seems like VY brings the best of both to the position: powerful stature with quick feet. If he dashes out of the pocket a lot he will get banged up but if he can be disciplined to use his quick feet to buy time in the pocket when necessary and enjoy his powerful stature to "shrug off" the first hit, he could be something special for a long time.

 

I watched both VY and Reggie Bush the majority of their games this year, probably half or so last year. I also have seen the Rose Bowl now 5 times, with most of the last 3 just focusing on individual players.

SC's formula was the same. When they needed between the tackles runs, 1st downs and touch downs, the vast majority of the time they went to LenDale White. Pete Carroll clearly thought Reggie Bush was not the best option on his team for a lot of specific running plays. The Rose Bowl was a microcosm of how they played versus most of their better competition and better defenses for the last TWO years. I pay atttention to whole football games and the impact of players over the course of games, rather than just highlights.

I have talked about both VY and RB's strengths and weakness and questionmarks for the next level. Reggie Bush is among the best college players I have seen in open space, but IMO there is a lot more than that to being a game changing NFL back.

And no, Texas is not NFL fast. The fastest college defenses are not close to the 49ers defense speed.

 

ahahahahahahahaha

Carr was the leading rushing QB in the AFC last season, by 130 yards over David Garrard. You must be crazy if you think a rookie VY would have done better than Carr in that situation.

 

Yeah, because we all know the respect and authority that rookie QBs command.

 

Man, don't you know he's gangsta?

 

How was Ben Rothlesberger last year, I forget.......

 

How was every other rookie QB in the history of the universe? I forget


(and yeah, if I hear another person try and paint Big Ben as a huge part of the Steelers success I'll crap a donkey.. take one kick ass defense, add one part dominant running game, and a compotent QB becomes the next son of God... and saying he is the motivating factor behind them is all the more ridiculous..)

 

Wish he was right, but McNair is gonna take Bush or trade down.


And F Skip Bayless.

 

To Kelsons defense, he is a safety who got moved to linebacker because of his speed and hitting ability. This is a guy who is used to covering people.

 

Yup, that explains why they were so successful without him. And how they not only win, but light up the scoreboard when they can't run the ball (Indy and Denver, for example).

 

Dan Marino?

And, in case you didn't notice the Texans were 2-14 last year...after 4 years of David Carr.....2 and FRICKEN 14......

How many QBs in their 4th year (supposedly their prime) come back from being on a losing team so often...?????

Carr is what he is.....another Trent Dilfer.

DD