[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Vince is nowhere near lebron

 

Well, duh.

 

If Bush wasn't in the draft (answer honestly) would you be looking to replace DD with the #1 pick?

The truth is that both VY and Bush are in the draft and both are worth the #1 pick. Both Bush and VY are not severely needed so it can be a matter of who has more talent and who can be the player that turns this franchise around. Everyone of those scouts/coaches/analysts will tell you never to draft for need this high in the draft, you draft for talent, now who you think is more talented is in the eye of the beholder.

I'm a avid VY-supporter but I will be fine with either pick (I think VY would be the better pick though). But saying the Texans will not pick a QB, no matter how good they are, because they have Carr, is a prime example of how not to address a draft.

That may be the case. But your comments (jokingly or not) about Young's 5 turnovers and Bush's 200+ rushing yards in the Rose Bowl thread gives the impression that you were biased from the start. If I would have predicted Bush would have a bad game and he ended up having one of the best games ever by a player (if not the best) and I still said I wouldn't draft him, wouldn't you think I am somewhat biased?

 

You asked why no one was discussing the other QBs and I told you why I believe no one is. Everyone's discussing Bush for that reason as well.

I think Carr is expendable if the right QB came along. I think Vince could be that QB.

 

I knew your recap was accurate, I just don't like your source.

 

Don't sell yourself short Judge, you're a tremendous slouch.

 

My problem is I make a comment on Bush and I have to listen to "anything Bush can do VY can do better" crap. I like VY, and I want him to do well wherever he goes. DScar is constantly saying it is unknown if Bush can do this or that, but that VY is God (more or less) and VY has as many if not more questions about his game than Bush. I posted some quotes about Bush from teammates and coaches that haveplayed with him or coached against him, not to pump him up but because the quotes specifcially addressed comments/concerns that DScar had/has about Bush, and all you get back from certain posters is "I can find positive quotes about VY too" Great, I don't care, again my point was that the guys that were quoted know more about football than most if not everyone that posts on this site. They were comparing him to Sanders, Sayers, and Faulk. I think if the guys that have played with him everyday, and have coached against him think the comparisons are fair then they probably aren't too far off.

This BS about QBs being drafted in front of RBs - drafts are based on team needs, salary cap situations ect.. Teams don't always take the best available player, or else we would have taken DJ over TJohnson (as one example). All this BS about top RBs not winning superbowls, Marino, Fouts, Manning, Tarkenton, Kelly ect... didn't win SBs either. Simms, Rypien, Dilfer, Johnson, ect.. have all won and they are certainly not stellar all-pros. The great Farve has only won 1, and Elway (my favorite QB of all time) couldn't win until they picked up TD. Again, I love VY he has great potential, but I think you have to look at both sides of the coin in every situation. To me, alot of the "VY" guys simply do not.

 

This is a good post, but Carr's situation makes it a tad more difficult. If he was tradeable and you could add talent that way than I would agree whole heartedly with what you are saying. Carr's trade value is nil because of the teams performance and his contract being essentially like a new deal. I am not saying there is no way we trade him, but I think it would be extremely difficult to get anything of value for him.

 

DS consistently mentions that there are question marks regarding VY as well...as there are with every player in the draft. There's never been a sure thing and there never will be.

 

I agree that Carr's situation does make it a tad more difficult like you said. I really wouldn't say his trade value is nil because there are teams that could use a QB that won't be able to address it in the draft (Arizona, GB?, Vikings, Rams, Raiders, Miami, Dallas?)

I guess it all depends on what you consider good value for Carr.

 

My post over on HPF cut and paste:

I have been all Vince all the time and any fishrag guru's opinion is worth the the paper it's wriiten on but, on 610 this morning the Ourlads draft guy conVinced me he knew what he was talking about and had some caveats about how Vince would project as a pro ( problems throwing the ball into tight spots and hitting the deep pattern with accuracy, tendency to run right that can be defensed) I may have joined the dark side.

But I think I am on the 'trade down is the least offensive possible choice" side now. Both sides of the great debate mildly disappointed is not a civil war, and there are just so many players in the 2nd and 3rd round of this draft that could help this team. This guy said he thought Enslinger would be perfect for the Texco's offensive scheme but would be gone in the second. Well you can't spend a second on center unless you are already a good team or...have a bunch of draft picks.

Interestingly this guy has Matt Leinert rated the #1 pick (good for us!) rated Chad Greenway higher than Ethan Hawk and said linebacker Michael Robinson, Penn State could be as good as either and available as late as the 6th. He liked DeMario Williams as a "Reggie White" sized DE and liked Garret Mills from Tulsa as an H-Back for the Texans.

 

Weird, I just responded to your post on HPF like a second ago.

 

not really. RM95 isn't allowed in there!

I'm still pro-Bush. Carr can be a great QB in my view.

 

I still don't feel Davis leaving is a big loss and VY proved my skepticism flat wrong due to his performance.

I guess perception matters more than performance to some people. You are quickly joining RT in twitville.

Do a search, include the following: "Desert Scar" + ("explosive" or "spectacular burst" or "great open field runner" or "great balance" or "Marshall Faulk" or "Tony Dorsett" or "worthy of top 3 pick")
----You will find the name Reggie Bush come up quite a lot.

I simply think VY has more upside, plays a more important position and a position players last longer. I base this on lots of games and plays for both players over the last 2 years, and watching the Rose Bowl about 4 times paying attention to every play they were involved with.

Definitive projections right now who is the better prospect w/o combine like figures at the top of the draft board is useless right now. Mel Kiper has said as much. So stop bringing up scouts say ("Bush definitely")...... If scouts are worth a darn instead of just trying to generate pub for themselves they would without such judgments until further information is in.

Right now I lean toward VY based on what I saw on the field based on a large sampling of plays by both players, I am open to change their NFL prospects (and what the Texans should do) based on workout info.

 

Bash Bush?

I love to bash bush !

My wife says I am the best Bush basher she knows.

DD

 

She told me the same thing DD.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

Cool, so you hate George W, too?

Great !

 

It wasn't funny though. I can take people cracking on me (I got plenty of it after the National championship game) and a lot of it was funny. I don't see how pointing out spelling errors (unless someone types in all caps or is illiterate) is funny. To me, it's a wasted post.

 

It wasn't a spelling error. Opinions can be subjective or objective. You meant to say objective, but put subjective. It was like a Freudian slip.

BTW, I think the Bust Supporter thing was funny It would be even funnier if I was a huge Bush supporter and someone who thought he was going to be a bust pointed that out. I have a sense of humor, though.

BTW, you think it's funny to make fun of illiterate people?