[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

i agree, there a few saying things like that. no doubt.

but they're not getting paid for their opinions on the topic...they're not labelled as experts and thrown up on the idiot box to tell us all.

seriously...shakespeare? gale sayers? best receiver on the team??

there is no way possible the man can run around the end, catch like rice and still have time to write sonnets. no way.

 

If Bush is really this good, I definitely want him on my fantasy team next year. It would be like having a #1 receiver and #1 running back all in one draft pick. Sweet.

 

I think that's Desert's point.

 

do you get points if he composes a symphony? i'm gonna add that category to my league, just in case.

 

Who was it that said Vince will be the Jordan of football? I forget, but I'd take Jordan over Mozart or Shakespeare anyday.

 

USC Head Coach Pete Carroll on VY:
"Without question, that was the best [performance] I've seen by one guy."

 

Bush does not have anywhere near the leadership ability that VY has. How many times did we see VY lead us on a comeback with no problem late in the 4th quarter? The 4th and 18 play at Kansas, followed by finding Tony Jeffery in the end zone. Leading the Horns to the winning drive in the Horseshoe last year. Rallying back from being down in late in the 2005 Rose Bowl, then repeating it in 2006!

 

I heard on 610 last week that the colts won't resign Edg because they are spending the money on Wayne. Is this true. If it is why not pick up Edg in free agency and draft Young. Edge has got a few years left in him and he had an awesome year.

 

I heard the interview also. It will be interesting to see what VY can do at the combine if he is going to throw. If he can show great accuracy then there will still be a debate as to who the Texans will draft. However, if he throws, like many scouts think he will throw, inaccurate then he might fall down in the draft. Maybe to the Raiders at 7.

 

I don't think there will really be a point to getting Edge because by the time VY will be NFL ready James will likely be on the downside of his career.

 

I have pointed out a lot of questions about VY. I have said the safest pick of the big 3 is Matt Leinart. I don't know for sure VY will be a great or even good pro quarterback. But I do know VY was clearly the most dominant athlete on the college football scene (probably more dominant as a single college football player than anyone I can remember watching) and plays the most important position on the field. I know a lot of the questions about him should be dismissed by those who payed attention (he threw more accurate than Matt Leinart and made fewer bad decisions over the course of the game), and VY's upside is the highest of an prospect in quite some time. VY as an football athlete (ratio of size, athleticsm, skills) is in among the most unique I have ever seen--guys like Bo Jackson, John Elway, and Mike Vick come to mind. Doesn't mean he will be a great player, we don't know if Vick will be a great player either, but the potential is so high you don't want to miss them.

If you think I am biased, RT cannot remotely be taken seriously in this debate.

Yes durability is a major point. Along with his bread and butter effectiveness on between the tackles running and finishing runs, as clearly his own college coach thought his other back was better when they needed 1st downs in short yardage or touchdowns. These bring up serious questionmarks.

Still I recognize Bush as a great athlete with loads of potential. I have said he belonds in the 1st 3 picks based on that potential. I have said he showed a lot of class after the Rose Bowl. That is a heck of lot more credit than the VY haters give that man.

I have said right now I think VY should be the 1st pick in the draft, a quarterback with such a unique athletic skill set and with his leadership qualities is just too special an oppertunnity to pass up.

It is why John Elway went before one of the 3 or 4 best college running backs I have ever seen, Eric Dickerson (IMO way more sure thing than Reggie Bush). It is why Troy Aikmen (no where near the athlete of Elway or VY) went before Barry Sanders. It is why Mike Vick went before LT. It is why 3 QBs went before the Edge and Ricky Williams (RW was one of the top 5 college RB I have ever seen). There are questions for VY, sure. But I can't see how the questions are any bigger than what Steve McNair or Donovan McNabb faced--and those guys ended up being pretty good thrower/runner/leader QBs. VY could easily be better than them.

Unlike a lot of folks who think Bush is the slam dunk 1st pick, I am open to change. I want to see Bush's and VY's workout results. If Bush weighs in at close to 210 and is just as fast and quick (4.4 40, great drills) that gives me more confidence in him. If VY shows only average arm strength or over say 4.55 40s that undermines my confidence in him. But until I get evidence like that, from what I have seen based on watching them play on the field VY should be the top pick. I find it funny so many question VY without the workouts, when before the Rose Bowl people were saying his arm was stronger than Matt Leinart's, and after the Rose Bowl we can certainly determine he is just as accurate and makes just as good decisions. ML himself said VY threw the ball on the money all game long and was a freakish athlete who was UT's whole offense and simply couldn't be stopped.

 

This actually sounds like a pretty subjective analysis to me. He brought up the concerns about Bush's size and durability (points that all the pro Young people make) and he brought up the points about Young's release, that most of his receivers were wide open, ect.... He basically echoed all the points that were made here except VY always running to the right (I never noticed that).

Like I've always maintained, I think VY will be a good (maybe great QB but a lot of questions surround him and it's going to take a few years for us to find out. Bush is without a doubt the top prospect in the draft while VY may not even be the best propsect at his position. He probably has the most "potential" but not the best prospect at the monent.

I've always gotten jumped for saying it but I'll continue to echo that this isn't even a real debate outside of Houston fans. It's not suprising to hear that ann NFL scout said that either.

 

Yeah, I agree.

 

Much like you claimed there wasn't much of a debate between Leinart and Young as college quarterbacks or much of a debate between USC and Texas as the better team, huh?

Also, until someone other than reggietodd provides a transcription of this supposed interview yesterday, I think we should all be a little skeptical.

 

I'll still stand by the Young/ Leinart argument at the time of the debate. I was talking careers and leinart's body of work was easily more impressive until VY added a National Championship and MVP to his credentials. He also played one of the best games of all time in the National Championship game and i have given him the respect that he deserves. I was wrong on my USC prediction and I can admit that. I haven't ran away or made excuses i came back in here like a man and gave credit where it was due. Since you're perfect I guess you're a millionaire because you can pick the winner of ever game and are always right. What a joke.

Anyways, do you think he made all that up? Read the post dude, nobody takes the time to do that for no reason. Look at the quotes from the post, if it was made up by reggietodd you would be able to tell. Are you so blinded by your love for Vince that you can't accept a scouts opinion and have to call it "questionable" because it was posted by someone who wasn't a Young fan like yourself. I promise if that was a ringing endorsement for Young by one of his backers on this board you wouldn't call it questionable.

 

The "scout" he was referring to was Dan Shonka - the guy who also insists that Reggie McNeal is a better prospect than Vince Young. So take it for what it's worth.

 

Never made a mistake typing a post huh? Wow, we have found a couple a perfect people on the BBS today.

 

Are you serious? Wow.

 

Well, I don't agree with that but he's still an NFL scout and we are posters on a message board. There's a reason we get paid to do what we do and he gets paid to do what he does. Maybe he sees something in Reggie we don't.

While i certainly think Young is a better prospect then Reggie, Reggie has a better arm and is faster. He also has the size to be an NFL QB and won MVP of a post season game already. His team was absolute trash a he showed flashes of brilliance during his career at A@M. I hate A@M too so I definitely am not biased on this.

 

Yes, he also said something along the lines that if Reggie McNeal isn't picked in the 1st round, there will be 32 stupid teams out there. On the surface, this is reasonable (that he should go in the first round)... but if you actually think about what he said, it would mean that Reggie McNeal should go #1 overall, because somehow the Texans become one of the stupid teams if he doesn't go in the first round.

But the Vince vs. Reggie thing he said separately. I thought there was a thread about it on here earlier (or perhaps its in this monster thread somewhere), but I read that somewhere. He insists Reggie is the better prospect.