[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Still don't know how that happens. Bush should outrun any safety even. Saw the clip, Kelson seems to be alot bigger than Reggie. Kelson is listed at 6'2 215''. Irrelevant, but I wonder if Reggie was adjusting for the ball, he should smoke Kelson in a race. He should actually beat any non CB in a race pretty easily.

 

I find it funny that you continually say he isn't like guys that are his exact same size. You say that Emmit is stronger - how do you know? I know Emmit weighed ten pounds more, BUT Reggie is 21 he won't be mature until he is 23-25. Tens pounds of muscle would be easy for him to add on. You say he doesn't finish runs well - go back to your Rose Bowl tape and watch the run in the first quarter where he straight runs over a UT DB on the sideline. He could have simply stepped out of bounds but he lowered his head and planted the defender. He is the same size as or bigger than Faulk, Sanders, Martin, Dorsett, Marcus Allen, and very close in size to Emmit and LT. The dude benches 400lbs - he is strong I guarantee you that. I am a trainer and one of the things you may not understand, and this is not a knock on you in any way, but a guy that is as explosive as Reggie is explosive all over - upper body and lower body. Additionally and more importantly, he is football strong - ie he has the ability to produce strength very quickly. I promise you this guy is a beast. I copied some quotes you might be interested in taking a peek at:

USC Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Matt Leinart:
"Every time Reggie touches the ball, anything can happen...He's an awesome weapon...A lot of people think he's an outside runner, but he's tough. He can run in between the tackles...When he first came to USC, he was running all over our first defense in fall camp, cutting back, reversing his field. We knew he was special. Anytime he has the ball, something big could happen. It's unbelievable what he can do."

Dennis Dodd, CBS Sportsline.com:
"They call him "The President." They might soon be calling him The King...He is that rare back with the speed and strength to run through the line and the ability to make defenders miss in space when he goes out for a pass...He is a symbol for what USC was, is and will be."

Former BYU head coach Gary Crowton:
"He's as good as any receiver on their team, and the next moment, he's running with power, makes one guy miss and he's so fast he can go the distance. He just has the ability to create lots of matchup problems without them changing personnel groups. That's a real luxury they have. It kind of reminds me of Marshall Faulk."

Ted Miller, ESPN.com:
"Bush is Shakespeare. He's gifted with speedy brilliance and flourish. Bush is 200 pounds of sound and fury signifying touchdown. He doth rise from the ground like feathered Mercury striding the heavens...He resembles the elusive Gale Sayers or the versatile Marshall Faulk."

David Leon Moore, USA Today:
"Bush is basically a sworn enemy of a straight line. He's all switchbacks and zigzags, spin moves and ankle-breaking shimmies. Some people even think he is already the most entertaining, and maybe best, college football player in the country...He is a quiet sort, polite, humble, good grades, solid citizen...On a football field, he gets around like nobody else. Here, there, this sideline, that end zone, he's running, receiving, returning, making plays, scoring touchdowns, winning games...He runs with a can't-take-your-eyes-off-him style that seems part Marshall Faulk, part Barry Sanders, part Gale Sayers

Former USC All-American linebacker Lofa Tatupu:
"We just sat back on Saturday and watched the show...Not to take credit away from the offensive line because they've done a great job, but Reggie sets up his blocks so well that they can miss their man completely and he still gets through...I've even told guys on the other team, 'Don't feel bad. He got me with that play twice this week in practice, too.'"

This is what former players and opposing coaches thought of him. If they compare him to Sayers, Sanders, and Faulk that is good enough for me.

 

he is the best receiver of all time.

he is the best running back of all time.

he's shakespeare???

does any of this frighten the hell out of anyone else?

i think reggie will be a solid pro. a good pro. i don't know if he will be great. but the coronations from ESPN and CBS don't impress me too much. these are the same turkeys who told us all that USC was unbeatable, to begin with.

i can't recall this much hype for a player. there was tons of hype on Vick. but not to this degree.

 

He doth rise? Gimme a freaking break.

And people wonder why some believe that Bush is a tad overhyped. Unless he scores 42 TDs and cures cancer in his rookie year, it sounds like many will be disappointed.

 

If you watched Emmitt Smith in college or pros it is obviously different how he finishs runs than Reggie Bush. Smith fell in the draft because he could barely run under 4.6 40s. Payton wasn't fast either. Speed isn't close to the most important thing for a pro RB. It can be a nice bonus if they have lots of other between the tackles skills (e.g., Faulk, Dickerson, Sanders), but is not the critical factor.

Bush's finish in the Rose Bowl the commentators went gaga over was on an off balance CB. Every time I remember being hit by an LB or safety or DL the play ended right there. Contrast this with LenDale, who usually got 2-3 yards after that hit, maybe more. That is why when the game was on the line or when SC needed TDs in goalline they went to LenDale, obviously they felt LenDale was the better between the tackles runner. And I promise you LenDale is no Emmit Smith or Walter Payton.

The quotes are nice. But they are from college players, moslty teamates.

Interesting when Matt Leinart was talking about the "freakish athlete" who was just too tough to stop, he wasn't talking about Reggie Bush.

Reggie Bush is a great prospect, great talent. A top 3 pick seems very justifiable. But he also has some serious questions about translating his game to the pros. And he also is coming into the same draft with Vincent Young, one of the handfull of most unique athletes I have seen play college football and with unlimited upside in football's most important position. It will be no knock on Bush to go #2 or #3 if he does.

 

Anyone listening to the NFL draft expert on 610 right now? If not i'll recap for ya.

 

did he do any study-comparisons between bush and mozart?

 

Nope. They ran out of time explaining how one touch of the football by Bush can end world hunger.

 

did you know that reggie bush's tears can cure cancer? the only problem is, he never cries.

 

That was two of his former teammates, two writers and a former coach. I can find articles taht are complimentary of Vince as well. Some of them from California.


WTH did you expect Totupu and Leinart to say? "well, he's good. He's ok."

 

Yeah, have you seen this one about VY?

"The amazing thing about Vince is this. I lost my mother to a car accident when I was just five years old. I took Vince home one weekend to meet my family and old friends from high school. He insisted that we visit my mother's grave. With one touch of the tombstone, my mother was brought back to life. I will forever be grateful for Vince for his part in helping our team win a national championship. And for resurrecting my mom."

-David Thomas.

 

Didn't say much about Bush, only when asked if here were the Texans, who would he draft, said "Bush without question". Also said Bush's size was & durability was a concern, they dont' know his exact size, but reports coming out of Chargers camp is that he's currently about 205, but nobody in the NFL knows for sure. Said Bush could stop & cut on a dime which is rare, said "do you want to pay a guy 65 million who may only get 15 touches a game", but of those 15 touches 2 may be touchdowns.

Said that VY has a ton of work to do to make it in the pros. Broke down VY tape and said "99% of his receivers were wide open", said the pro scouts are very concerned with him throwing into tight spots. Said he makes some bad throws on deep crossing routes when his receivers were wide open. Said hes a freakish athlete who is a step above the college level defenders, he always makes his big plays and wins football games by running to the right, said NFL defensive coordinators would make him run to the left. Mentioned something about VY's release, but don't remember exactly what he said, basically said you can't change it.

Lance mentioned that when he went to the senior bowl he noticed that the VY/RB debate isn't nearly as big of a debate as it his here in houston, said that actually around the NFL scouts and NFL circles, it isn't even a debate at all. Said that VY "may" be the 2nd quarterback taken behind Leinart, mentioned Cutler would possibly be drafted ahead of VY.

Then they started talking about other draft prospects..... don't shoot the messenger, this was just a recap of what I remember.

 

LOL, I can see you gloating through my monitor.


Was the scout's name Dan Shonka by any chance?

 

Moron, where in my post did you see me compare VY to Bush. My post is simply in response to DScar's thoughts on Bush. I am sure you can find many complimentary articles on Young as well as he is a great college QB. My point in posting the clips was more what they were saying about him - his toughness, his ability to run between the tackles, his receiving ability ect... I chose what I posted to show what others with more football knowledge then most everyone on this board think of Bush - nothing more.

 

I'm not gloating. Yep it was Dan.

 

I find it funny that you continually question Bush and his abilities but talk about VY as if he is the second coming. VY has more question marks than Bush - no question. Read Reggietodd's post about the draft recap from this morning's 610 show. Durability is always gonig to be a question mark for RBs I don't care if they are 5'10 190 or 6'3 and 235. Anyone that gets hit as much as an RB is being exposed to potential injury. You are clearly blinded by your desire to draft VY - he's a great palyer, good for you. It is just odd that you continually question one while gagaing over the other when they both have question marks.

 

Aside from what this scout said.

The thing that stood out to me is what Lance was saying. Said when he went to the senior bowl and talked to scouts, experts, nfl teams, etc.... the VY/RB debate isn't a debate at all, said only in Houston. And taking Reggie Bush completely out of the equation, Nationally, they don't have VY ranked to be the 1st QB selected, maybe not even the 2nd, much less the #1 overall pick. Lance said it really opened his eyes.

 

Kind of like Vince Young and the BBS.

 

You want to at ease the name calling there? Two of the guys you chose were his teammates.

I can dig up a complimentary article of Vince from Dennis Dodd as well.

 

C'mon. In these threads, there are just as many Bush supporters as there are Young supporters.