[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

I'm not against trading the pick or using it on Young. But :

1. The way you described Bush could EASILY describe Dorsett. Great in open space and couldn't break a tackle to save his life...but you had to grab him first, before you could tackle him. And that Dorsett guy did kinda OK, no?

2. Is "the Randy Moss of running backs" supposed to be a bad thing?


You're right about overhyped, though. But everything in America is overhyped nowadays. Bush, Young, Yao, and lots of others are no different in that respect.

 

Dorsett would be the guy I would compare Bush to as far as speed. I think Bush has better moves. Yes, Dorsett ran through some huge holes behind a very good Dallas O-line.

I think Bush could be as good as Dorsett and that would be fabulous.
I only saw 3 games this season. Not much to really make my opinion on, but something I saw I don't like was he did not break tackles. I saw him go down too easy for me when hit. That's all. I liked watching him work in space but not when he ran inside.

I worry about running backs that do don't break arm tackles, receivers don't bother me if they can catch if they don't break tackles.

Dominique Davis looks like a more productive runner that Bush.

The reason I think of Randy Moss is because Bush has such great home run threat, take it to the house speed etc

But Moss doesn't carry his team that well as a receiver. I can only compare it to a home run hitter who also strikes out alot.

It is a big gamble to take a running back with the #1 overall pick if he can't carry 20 times a game and get tough yards. Hey, if Bush carries 20 times a game and averages 5.0 per carry I would think he will be a pro bowl back.

If he carries less than 15 times a game in the NFL he will be a Randy Moss type player in my opinion. That to me is not worth passing up a good trade or a Vince Young talent at QB.

I just don't think Bush is the next Barry Sanders or L. Tomlison.

I hope I'm wrong if the Texans pick him.

 

Charley Casserly on the radio (610) right now.

I am so tired of him talking about David Carr going to be a great QB if the sacks go down.... and who built the offensive line?

Casserly reasons this way-

David Carr would be Joe Montana if he had some talent around him. And oh yeah I did a pretty good job here but the coaches couldn't coach worth a lick (please forget the first three seasons when the team played way over their heads)

I predict right now that David Carr will never start in a Super Bowl with any team.

Casserly just said he can take the Texans there.

 

How can anyone be a "Die Hard" fan of a 4 year old franchise?

Not enough water has passed under the bridge, not enough emotion for me, anyway.

I am a casual fan, draft Vince and you got my serious attention, draft Reggie and I will remain a casual fan.

This franchise needs a galvanizing player or coach.....hopefully both.

We need our Bum Phillips and our Earl Campbell......

And, no, I don't mean coach and RB.



DD

 

It seems like most of the responses say nice things about one and talk down about the other. Obviously, I don't expect everyone to agree with me, so I'm not going to get heated up about it.

Both of these players might "develop" into what they lack. I think 1 could do it sooner than the other, but I feel good for both players. Perhaps we should trade this pick.

 

NOt surprising, imo. A nice guy like LT wouldn't throw David under the bus, and who knows, maybe Carr is the guy.

 

That's exactly how I feel about it. I'm a homer, and will always support Houston's teams, but to be a true fan, I need a team to seize my attention and make me love it, like the Rox and Astros have done for so many years.

It's a moot point at this juncture. It will be blood in the streets if we don't pick Vince after all of the hype.

 

This is such Bull SH^T. If you are a Texans fan, you're gonna be one no matter what the decision. If you are a fan, then the only thing that matters is a win. SOME people might be upset for a little while, but MOST people will just be happy if they start to win.

 

Cubs fans are only loyal to the Cubs because they win so much right?

In leiu of a champoinship, and only one team is going to get that per year, it is the team's pesonalities that endear them to the fans. Vince would be a galvanizing personality win or ... well not lose but at least be competitive and produce the occasional electrifying play.

 

This franchise needs a winning season.


And I don't give a s**t how we do it.

 

So since the Texans are not winning, isn't okay to say this decision will make or break you as a fan.

I will still follow the Texans if we pick Bush, I'll support them because they are a Houston team. But they have in no form or fashion done anything (other them being a Houston team) for me to give them my ultimate devotion and lifelong support.

The Texans need to give Houston a reason to support them. McNair had a great honeymoon phase and Houston ate it up. I was really disappointed when McNair had the audocity to say we needed to come to the games and support them when the team had only won 1 game.

 

Yeah he really should have said stay away.

 

Just heard on FSN that VY is going to workout in the combine. His agent said he will probably just throw and not run.

 

waaayyyy off topic, but can someone tell me when we traded Mo Taylor? Who did we get? I'm afraid to ask this in the nba forum. I'll get ridiculed. I just remember we used to have a log jam at PF.

 

last year for moochie and vin baker i think.

 

Taylor for Mooch/Baker/2nd Round Pick I think.

 

Correct

http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/taylor_050224.html

NEW YORK, February 24, 2005 – New York Knickerbockers President of Basketball Operations Isiah Thomas announced today that forward Maurice Taylor has been acquired from the Houston Rockets in exchange for guard Moochie Norris, forward Vin Baker and New York’s 2006 second-round draft pick.

 

And now for something completely different... Time to let my UT bias show through for some innocent humor:


"But choose wisely, for while the true #1 pick will bring you a Super Bowl, the false #1 will take it from you."


"Ooooooo... This cup, labeled 'Reggie Bush,' is so shiny and blinged out, just as ESPN said it would be! This clearly must be the Holy Grail of Draft Picks!"


"Gah! I picked the bust! But ESPN said he was the second coming of Jesus! Now I'm out on my ass, destined to be banished from the NFL to some crappy D-III no-name school! Oh, the humanity!"


"Hmmmm. This dirty and unassuming cup labeled 'Vince Young' looks right."


"You have chosen... wisely. But, beware: the Holy Grail of Draft Picks cannot be allowed to pass beyond the #1 pick, for that is the boundry, and the price, of Super Bowl immortality."


THE END...
... OR IS IT?








"Arrrrghhh! My heart! It's the freaking playoffs, and we were up 28-3 at halftime! How can the same thing happen to the same city TWICE? We never should have let Vince leave for the Cowboys. [Cue sad music and credits]"

(Oh, c'mon. It's Houston football. Did you really expect a happy ending?)

 

LMAO! excellent work.

 

One major difference between Dorsett and Bush as a prospect is Dorsett set the NCAA rushing record, one that held for what 20 years. Bush's strengths are similar, but Dorsett was a lot more proven as a workhorse you could go back to again and again (understatement of the year actually). Same with Faulk, the other Hall of Famer I would advance as the upper end potential of Bush.

I have a question. Say the Saints would take Carr for their #2 (almost a late 1st) and next year's #2. Would you rather build a team around:


OPTION 1
VY (QB), Davis/Wells (RB), AJ(#1WR), Mathis (KR/potential #3WR)+ with the NO pick say Calhoun/Drew (if you want a 3rd down back) or Darian Hagan/Sinorice Moss (#2 WR) or Mercedes Lewis (TE)

OR

OPTION 2
Carr (QB), Davis/Bush (RB/KR)/Wells(RB), AJ, and Mathis

Note I assume with other free agency moves and drafts to address the Oline and defense.

Also note OPTION 1 saves you 5 million a year minimum (difference in salary of Carr + Bush (two overall #1s) versus VY (overall #1) + say Lewis/Moss/Hagan (2nd round money).