[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

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Leinart should be considered. All options should be considered, including trading a few slots for Hawk/Fergason/M.Williams plus the farm. But if you think VY is the next Elway/S.McNair in talent/leadership, you take him. You think Bush is the next Faulk/Sanders, you take him. You think Leinart is the next Peyton/Brady, you take him. The fact the Texans have some decent prospects/players in their positions is mute if you think you have a chance at a potential hall of famer.

I have never seen a football player dominate a game with his will and skill with such stakes like I saw out of Young. (I think some of Elway and McNabb early playoff wins next come to mind, but that was at the NFL). Young has been doing it 20+ games versus the best D1 players and coaches. Right now I'd put my money on him being the best player on the next level of the options. Of course he may not pan out, but that is where I'd hedge my bets as the best NFL player from this draft. Of course workouts (e.g., terrible by VY, great by others) could change my mind. I'd be pretty surprised if the workouts came back so different than expected though.

 

What is your point? There's a rumor he may have Jerry Gray, a Longhorn, on his staff.

What's next, we should stay away from VY because our current center, Steve McKinney, is also a former Aggie and may sabotage him? Or having Kubiak makes it more likely we'll pick up another Aggie QB in Reggie McNeal (who I wouldn't mind in the 3rd or 4th round based on his athleticism alone)?

Kubiak has helped Elway and Jake Plummer succeed in his offenses. All the more argument for bringing in a dual threat QB.

 

My expectations for next year as you asked:

Reggie Bush: 1300 yards rushing, 650 yards receiving

Vince Young: 4/7, 55yds passing, 35yds rushing, 0TD, 0 INT

 

That's amazing considering that Bush only had 1760 rushing yards this past year (554 of those coming against UCLA and Fresno State alone). He also had 478 receiving yards.

Now remember these stats were mainly against Pac-10 defenses. I think you drank too much of the Reggie Bush kool-aid that ESPN has been passing out.

EDIT: Against the toughest defense he faced all year (UT), he had 82 yards rushing.

 

This reminds me of another prediction post:

Not trying to call out the original poster, but I knew I had read something similar to this.

 

I still like the ESPN analysis that argued against Vince just casually mentioned that he could be the best NFL QB of all time.


So it's more of a risk to pick Vince, but if there's a chance that he may be the best QB of all time...

 

Looks like Carr's stat line from a couple games this year.

 

I just listened to the whole interview from this morning and I can say one thing about Vince. Just listening to him talk, makes you a believer. I like the confidence he exudes without being cocky.

Sounds like a guy that REALLY puts in the effort in preparation and training on his own outside of what the team asks him to do. Him talking about taking the O-line out to dinner constantly and how he works with the WRs on their own time to gain cohesiveness, really speaks volumes.

 

Vince and it isn't even close.

 

I'm conVINCEd that Reggie Bush is not the choice the Texans should make.

In fact, if they really want a RB, go with LenDale.

in-VINCE-able in '06 and beyond!

 

Also re: Kubiak is an Aggie and Aggies hate Longhorns that is pure garbage.

Vince Young & Gary Kubiak have one key thing in common... Greg Davis was their QB coach in college.

Greg & Gary are still close friends to this day and Vince has stated that Greg Davis is one of his best friends so you can be assured Gary will lay any potential anti-UT bias out of the equation as it pertains to Vince.

Assuming Kubiak follows the Denver model here the two positions on offense where you can plug in other peoples leftovers and get great production from are the offensive line and running back. That bodes well assuming Kubiak is good at talent evaluation and it wasn't all Mike Shanahan. I guess that is my greatest fear is we are hiring an offensive coordinator from a head coach who was a past offensive coordinator. Generally speaking you want to hire the stand out coordinator from the other side of the ball from the head coach's background since you are pretty certain they are not being carried. Best example I can think of is Bob Stoops actually giving Florida a national championship defense then winning the national championship again in his 2nd year as a head coach. We all know Spurrier is allergic to defense so anytime he has a good one you should snatch the DC if you are in the market.

 

I'm not trying to call out Vince with my post. In fact I think if/when he plays a full season as a starter he will be very productive. That was my prediction for next season, assuming he only gets in during mop up time.

 

When is the last time ANY pro football team had a QB that could run a 4.4 in the 40 yd dash, and pass like Vince?

Has that EVER happened?

Vince could revolutionize the game.

DD

 

The body of this article is exactly why I think the Texans are going to draft VY (in fact, the body argues effectively against the title). I will be shocked if we don't draft VY at this point; after such a horrible season, he is the Texans' rebuilding 'Get Out of Jail Free' card. No one wants to go through a rebuilding period, but with VY, optimisim springs eternal and the city would bear a few year's setback. Bush is a great prospect and will probably live up to some of his hype, but the Texans can't not draft Young at this point.

 

QUESTION: Long Term v Short Term

Which should th Texans look for

Rocket River
I don't see us in the playoffs next year

 

Long term success.....IMHO....

DD

 

Found this interesting article.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/13591230.htm

Young has NFL scouts dazed, confused
BY RANDY GALLOWAY
Fort Worth Star-Telegram

FORT WORTH, Texas - There's a respected NFL scout, a longtime friend, who has been giving me a blunt and brutal opinion for more than a year on the quarterbacking talents of one Vince Young.

By the way, both the blunt and brutal were part of an agreement that his name would never be used.

But this guy's standard line on Young as a future NFL quarterback was always "not with my name on him."

Meaning he certainly wouldn't be recommending that his team draft Young in the first round.

"Throws like a girl," was his non-PC answer as late as early December.

But this same scout was also at the Rose Bowl last week, evaluating talent.

When I caught up with him by phone over the weekend, he sounded dazed and confused.

"What do I think now?" he answered, repeating my question.

"I don't know what to think now. Except that Vince Young is the most unique player I believe I've ever seen.

"There's been nothing like him. I scouted (Michael) Vick a lot. He's better than Vick. But . . ."

But what?

"If I worked for Houston, I wouldn't know what to tell them. I think I'd still take (Reggie) Bush with that pick. But somebody is really going to be very wrong, or very right, on Young."

Some of the best defensive minds in college football, including USC coach Pete Carroll, had their brains fried by Vince Offense.

Now it's the NFL's turn to be dazed and confused.

There's suddenly no doubt Young will go among the first three picks in April (1. the Texans, 2. the Saints, 3. the Titans).

But at the start of this college season, I don't think anyone had Young even being in the first round. Not as a quarterback.

Vince, however, has forced the NFL to play its hand. First, by the season he had, capped by the Rose Bowl. Second, by declaring Sunday for the draft.

Me, I was hoping he would be back in Austin for one more year. But that was based on personal entertainment. I just wanna have fun watching these games. Vince Young provides more fun than anyone I can remember.

Then again, from a pure financial standpoint, how could Young have done anything else? His football value is at a peak. Go ahead, cash in on that peak.

But now comes the tearing-down process. Between now and April, there will be nothing but negative overkill in the evaluation department.

Bush is already going through it.

He was All-World Can't Miss until the Rose Bowl game. Now, you hear the whispers about durability and toughness. Or, based on NFL needs, was he even the best running back at USC?

Matt Leinart?

Same thing. A year ago, he was a quarterbacking god. But even after a great Rose Bowl performance, Leinart is currently being knocked for a lack of arm strength and mobility.

Bet this, however:

What is about to commence with Vince Young might be the biggest evaluation debate any NFL D raft has ever experienced.

But Michael Vick was the first pick of the draft, and Michael Vick is now the highest-paid player in the NFL.

If that's the guideline ...

Some of us also say Vick is the most overrated player in the NFL.

But Young has more working for him, including the natural-born leader aspect, along with being a better passer.

Anyway, can a college quarterback limited to working out of the shotgun, and throwing with a funky sidearm delivery, actually be a success in the National Football League?

That depends on which scout you are asking.

Or which evaluation process is being used.

But Jeff Ireland believes strongly in Rac-Ac.

"Rac-Ac?"

Never heard of it.

Ireland, the Cowboys vice president of college and pro scouting, answered, "It means run- after-catch accuracy."

OK, now I understand.

Is the quarterback delivering the ball to the right spot, allowing a receiver to run for additional yardage after the catch?

"Vince Young does that, and does it well," said Ireland. "In our business, we look at his delivery, and it's so screwed up, the way he kinda flicks the ball out there with a side-armed motion.

"A scout sees that, and he goes, `Oh, no.' "

But if you keep watching, explained Ireland, the ball is delivered with accuracy and touch.

"Young's Rac-Ac is very good," he said.

"And then you mix in the ability to buy time with his feet, escape trouble, and then do something after that, and you've got what we are looking for."

Is Ireland sold on Young being an NFL success?

"First, he's obviously a terrific talent, and second, I don't think the NFL has ever seen anything exactly like him," he answered. "If we had the first pick in the draft, a lot of work would be involved.

"But he's the kind of player, with that size, that speed and the ability to avoid the direct hit, well, I wouldn't want to be passing on him."

Give it a few years, and we will have the NFL answer on Vince Young.

But now? If I'm Houston, I'm taking him, hometown kid and all.

And you?

Speak up now, because second-guessing on this question won't be allowed later.

Do you or don't you?

 

Vince Young's throwing motion has been unlocked!



Uncle Rico!

 

Bush declared.

The Texans will take him. This debate is OVER.