[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

I wasn't just interested in Desert Scar's feedback, I wanted other people's views. I'm not asking for the names of the college players, just the position.

If you think Vince (or Bush) is the better 1st pick, what positions (ex: OL, DE, CB) would you use the next 3 draft picks on?

I believe that many are unwavoring on their pick and thought this would gives us something different to talk about.

 

That's the only reason I want him. The ability to raise your game when it counts. Brady, Montana, and Elway all had that.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. Bravo.

I support Vince Young. I want him as a Texan. I think he'll be better than Carr down the road. That doesn't mean I think Carr sucks. That doesn't even mean I think he's below average. No, Carr probably won't be as good as Vince Young... but he doesn't have to be in order to be a good quarterback. It's like some people here either expect him to be a MVP candidate or one of the biggest busts of all-time... with no middle ground.

 

I would like to see the Texans pick up a tackle in the 2nd round, maybe attempt to move up to pick up a player like Justice, Scott, Winston. Other positions that I would like to see be filled is a free safety (Coleman is old and is no where near the player he use to be) as well as another WR if possible (Bradford is done in my opinion).

 

I think Coleman is history, and Brown showed potential. With the year Mathis had, Bradford shouldn't be returning, but I've said that before.

 

Yes, that was my point, basically. It's going to come down to VY's ability in the pocket. His running is certainly an asset, but the important question is how good will he be throwing?

 

Mathis showed some good stuff last season, but I wonder if he can be that 3rd receiver option we need. Brown had a good showing as well, but I think that it's safe to say that Buchannon isn't the shut down corner we thought he was, so I'd also be looking to improve the secondary as well.

 

Leinart: Carr as VY: Byron Leftwich

no comparison

 

Are you trying to prove my point?

Jason White?

 

Or from a BBS perspective.

IC2000

 

We might be stuck with P-Buc. I trust the coaches to work with him, even though I expect them to look at Casserly and say, "What the hell were you thinking?".

 

Yes that would be quite an accomplishment for both QBs. Unfortunately, when you look at the successful QBs in the NFL - those guys who win SuperBowls, they simply don't play like Vince/Randall but more like David/Matt. That is what concerns me the most about Vince: Can he transform his running QB game into the pros? I just don't know - nobody will know until he steps out on the field against a real NFL defense that is designed to do to him what the Steelers did to Jake (the fake) Plummer yesterday. If he can beat that type of defense with his talent then he will indeed be the second coming (or as DaD would say: The Chosen One). One thing is for certain, he'll be facing speed at LB and safety that he never saw before. Just ask Peyton and Jake.

 

what do you think that's a function of?

i don't think it's a function of those types of QB's not being able to win. i think it's a function of the fact there are more traditional QB's out there. it's very rare to combine the skills of a quarterback with the athletecism of a cunningham. I don't think Randall is ringless because Randall is the kind of QB that can't win a championship.

VY isn't a run-first QB. that's the huge distinction i make between him and vick already! VY already goes through progression with more discipline than Vick.

 

Why does he have to play like Dave/Matt? I see Vince as a player that will transcend the way Quarterbacks will be perceived. I know that pocket passers are the ones that lead their teams to Super Bowls but why can't Vince be the 1st player to transcend the game and change how it's perceived?

 

It is like people forget Elway, S. Young, McNair and McNabb (the guys I think most comparable to VY in pure athletic talent and leadership) had great athleticism and could run too. Of course if VY couldn't throw he would be limited, in fact he would be projected as a WR/TE like Matt Jones.

But I fail to see where anyone after watching VY the last year, culminating 3 great victories versus three of the recent champions and their stock of future NFL defenders and ace defensive coordinators (Ohio St, OU and SC), could conclude VY can't throw. The guy was composed, accurate and made great reads/decisions for the most part whether in the pocket or on the move. I mean you can argue he has some throwing flaws and maybe he isn't ready to be an NFL QB tomorrow, but he looks "as ready" as any other college QB. Heck of lot more ready than Carr at Fresno, McNair at Alcorn, or Culpepper at CFU, just to name a few. For Pete sake in the NC game he had fewer bad throwing decisions and had greater throwing accuracy than Matt Leinart (throwing to inferior weapons than Leinart had) AND he ran better than Bush. If anyone looked like they would have the easist transition (not that it is every easy) to the next level it was VY.

 

Hopefully Buchannon will play much better next season and to tell you the honest truth, he can't play any worse that he did last season. I was really disappointed w/ him, especially when considering what we gave up for him. But to be fair, our entire defense was bad and hopefully the new D-coordinator will whip these guys into shape.

 

I wouldn't say that D. Carr has played like any of the successful QB's in the NFL. His career rating to date is about 77.0

That is horrible.

Yes he got sacked mercifuless, yes he did not have a good tight end and only one real playmaker (A Johnson), but still he didn't look like he was the best player on the field at any time. Carr struggled reading coverage, he struggled with his accuracy and decision making and he got gun shy in the pocket.

I admit all the sacks really factored into that, but adversity also reveals weaknesses like nothing else.

After the Cleveland game at Reliant Dec. 2004 Carr has gradually imploded.
One thing that really bothers me is how many times I saw Andre Johnson go up to Carr looking frustrated because Carr was not throwing to him enough.

Another bad sign was the way Gary Walker responded to Carr. Walker says too much alot and he isn't a model citizen, but he pretty much says what he feels and he is a veteran who has shown defensive leadership when healthy. Walker actually accused Carr of not listening to the coaches and not taking responsibility for his mistakes.- I heard that reported both on the radio and tv after they confronted each other on the field after a loss. (and I heard it wasn't the first time)

That tells me that at least some players lost some respect for Carr, even though they massaged it and came out dropping the matter later.

If you ask me David will be an average QB at best but not a star.

That might be what we want, but it is not what I would build on if I was really serious about contending and reaching the SuperBowl some day.

If Carr remains our QB our first trip to the SuperBowl will come years after his Texan career and the team if forced to go in another direction- that's my prediction.

 

Buchannon has made some big plays in his career but he never tackled or covered anyone well. Don't expect that flop of a trade to change with new coaching.

 

He just can't cover anyone in man to man, but he does fine in zone coverage. We just need a DC to use his strengths, and never put him in man to man coverage or use him in run support.

 

Let's see...

He can't cover man to man...
You can't rely on him for run support...
He can't tackle...
He's not big enough to play anything other than DB...

I would have more respect for the Texans, if they just admitted they didn't research him enough and trade him for a bag of chips.

Sorry about jumping off topic.