[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

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And as well as Dennis has recruited, I figured you guys had all the talent in the world. Haven't you guys out recruited UT the last few years? I'm shocked that Reggie doesn't have a winning record

 

Who's the last QB? Aikman in 96?

 

I've seen some of his post and he has giving UT and Vince the some credit and love before.

When you say "you guys" you mean Aggies, right? So if Kubiak drafts Bush is it because he is an Aggie and they hate UT and since Vince went to UT he wants him to fail?

Why is it always a you hate UT thing. poor UT


Or do you just hate Aggies? See how dumb that sounds.

 

Wow. 7 of the past 8 #1 picks have been QBs.

In the past 69 NFL drafts, QB has gone #1 26 times.
In the past 69 NFL drafts, RB/HB/FB has gone #1 23 times.

Sorry, just found that interesting.

 

Why did you link to a 3-month old thread when he was talking about a game last week?

I don't know how to check it or where to go -- but I'd be very surprised if A&M out recruited UT..

 

Elway did it the following two years, although not for the team drafting him. I'm not sure if there's been anyone since.

 

Is that the same thing as saying everyone that wants VY is biased because they like UT or only want him because he's from Houston?

 

I am not going to get into this argument because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Our coaching has been terrible. It clearly was not Mcneal's fault. And actually our defense was ranked dead last this year, mcneal could not pressure the qb or tackle . The D was good enough to shut down "superman" though.

 

Of course not.

 

...yeah but the Real Deal tore it up last season against powerhouse defenses.

Why are you still arguing this point? The fact that you're clinging so heavily to a heap of underachievement and mediocrity like Reggie McNeal, who pretty much is Ryan Leaf to Vince's Peyton Manning this year illustrates the pro-aggsy/anti-UT angle that your trying so hard to deny here. The guy's irrelevant to this discussion. Period.

 

All False

 

IC20

Look, It is no secret that I like Vince Young, but not because he went to UT.

Because he is a leader of men, someone whom players work harder for....a Michael Jordan type, where you feel you are a better player because he is on your team.

Vince Young will be the best player in the NFL in 4 years, barring injury.

Bombastic statement, yes....sometimes I say things for fun....this is NOT one of those times.

He will be Superman at the next level.

The Texans have a choice, pick Superman and win, or pass on Superman and watch him beat the crap out of his hometown 2 times a year for the next 20.

Not hard to see what they should do......

DD

 

Oh but it IS about Carr. It's as if folks around here are involved in some sort of zero-sum game. For VY to come here, Carr has to be labelled as a failure or shell-shocked or not a leader or so on and so forth. It's the same with Reggie Bush - it's as if he's not really as good as that Heisman Trophy says he should be. But VY, is now being hailed as a franchise QB because of his Rose Bowl performance. Never mind the fact that Carr has been sacked more than any QB in the league - that's his fault. Never mind that he was trapped in one of the most poorly designed offenses (no tight end, etc.) I have ever seen - he still failed because he could not "transcend" the Pendry/Capers offensive bog. I'm afraid that I simply don't get it. There's too much absolutism going on around here and I believe that the truth, as usual, is somewhere in between.

 

I forget was Joe Montana labled a failure when they brought in Steve Young? Was Drew Brees?

Come on, competition is a good thing...put a fire under Carr's butt, put up or shut up....

2-14 by a Carr led team in his 4th year....is UNACCEPTABLE....that is not a leader of a team that is someone simply on the bus, when he should be driving it.

DD

 

Because Young was brought in as a backup to Montana, not to replace him.

And Drew Brees was considered a failure basically before Rivers was drafted.

If VY is drafted, Carr needs to be gone because everywone will know they ain't drafting VY to be Carr's backup. It would be a totally unfair situation to put Carr in. No win at all. The fans here will be screaming for Vince the first time he throws an incompletion.

 

Look DaD, I understand that you bleed orange and all that but to keep comparing VY to Jordan and now Superman is a bit much. I appreciate your enthusiasm and passion but you are setting the kid up for failure - he'll never be able to measure up to expectations such as these. If he doesn't succeed spectacularly - if he's merely good and not the football god you want him to be - then he'll wind up being tagged with the bust label. And that would be unfair.

 

Why should Carr bear the responsibility for the incompetence of Casserly, Capers and McNair? He didn't run the drafts nor perform player evaluations/acquisitions. He didn't design the tinker-toy offensive schemes. He's not responsible for running a 3-4 defense that couldn't stop your grandmother. He didn't coach the this team into the ground. He didn't stand by doing nothing while knowing that serious problems existed on this coaching staff a YEAR ago. Yet, now because folks have a serious man-crush on Vince, he's become the poster child for all that went wrong last season. I find that attitude completely wrong and insulting because it lets those responsible for this mess off the hook and escape responsibility.

Yeah, I know that Capers and his "crew" have been shoved out the door but 2 of the "Gang of 3", McNair & Casserly, are, unfortunately, still with us. It will take Kubiak and the new staff at least 2 years to clean up that mess at Reliant Park. Here's guessing (hoping) that Casserly won't survive this new regime and that McNair has learned enough from this lost year to make sure nothing like this ever happens again on his watch.

 

Stop replying to my posts - you are a fool! Every couple of years guys come out that are the best ever. I love BOTH VY and Bush. I wouldn't be upset if we got either, but I also think the pick is very valuable because of the number of teams that need QBs. If you want Leinart you have to get ahead of NO and Tenn. If you want Bush, you'd have to make us a sweet deal.
If someone offered me a great package for the pick I would absolutely trade it. I view FB as a true team game, and the team with the most overall talent USUALLY wins out. I know that sometimes great players can take games over but in general the team with the better overall talent wins.

One of the things that have been debated here that I find silly is that some of the high pick used on RB, OTs, QBs ect... that don't work out. Alot of times it's because these high picks are going to bad teams. Quick, tell the QB of the Lions when Sanders was there...... Eric Kramer and Scott Mitchell - they sucked. So was it Barry's fault they didn't get to the superbowl? How good was Steve Young in Tampa - not very, but when he got to a talented team in the Niners he got much better - coincidence - absolutely not. Elway did not win a Superbowl until they got a strong running game with TD.

I want us to improve our overall talent level. I personally think Carr can get the job done, so drafting VY to me might be a mistake in that it will take a couple of years to see how he develops. If we take him, I won't be upset, but I would prefer us to go in a different direction. If we trade the pick and get good value for it I would be happy as well. If we got a top5 first rounder and a top 5 second rounder and a first next year, you'd be crazy not to do that. We could get either Hawk or Williams, a tackle, a TE, an OG, and a corner. First, second, and third rounders should be able to come in and contribute next season. I do like Quinn - ALOT, I do like AP ALOT if we could get the above package and either one of those guys next year I would be happy. If Carr works out then we can go after AP. ALot of guys here think Bush cannot be an every down back (I think he can but thats just me) I will guarantee AP will be an everydown back in the league. That dude is a Hoss.

 

Exactly, if you are going to commit to VY, then do it completely. You owe it to Carr to get him out of here and to not keep beating him into the ground. You'll find that there will be teams (Miami, NY Jets, Baltimore) that would welcome him. We could get some very good players or draft picks if we play our cards right (I understand that can be a bit of stretch where Casserly is concerned) that could help transform this team.

 

Great post. I think things can be turned out around a little faster if the draft and FA goes well. I also cut McNair some slack. He is new at this and I think we will do what it takes to turn us into a top tier franchise.