[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

I think he is talking about all-purpose yards rather than total offense. Total offense is a lot more revealing because you can mix in a bunch of average returns to inflate all-purpose yards. That is why Brian Mitchell (#1 or #2 in all purpose yards) will never sniff the Hall of Fame and was never known as a dominant NFL player.

 

I was including his return yards. I know they don't play into the debate over his effect on offense, but they still factor into his impact on the game.

5 kick returns for 102 yards...avg 20.4
6 receptions for 95 yards...avg 15.8
13 rushes for 82 yards...avg 6.3 (btw, White had 20 for 124, or avg 6.2, yet White had a super game and Bush didn't )

total yards...279
total yards from scrimmage...177...avg 9.3

So Bush averages 9.3 yards on 19 touches from scrimmage(not return yards), with the Horns focusing on keeping him in check, and this is seen as being a "non-factor in the biggest game of the season"? Meanwhile White has 20 touches for an average of 6.2 yards and he was a huge factor, but Bush wasn't?

So let me get this straight. USC(Carroll) goes away from Bush because the Horns have made him priority one. With the Horns keying on Bush, Leinart and White turn in great performances. When Carroll does give Bush the ball, he only averages 9.3 per offensive touch with the Horns keying on him, but is a non-factor or fails to impact the game?

His impact on a game(including the Rose Bowl)comes quite simply from the threat of Bush busting a big play from anywhere on the field. That greatly affected the Horns' defensive game plan and he still put up impressive numbers. That threat greatly helped his teammates, as it would his Texans teammates, or whichever team drafts him.

 

I would expect that is below the average kick return in college football. I won't hold it against him, but it should not be a credit to his impact on the game either.

Couple problems with the reasoning.

Many of White's plays where when Bush wasn't even in the game. Carroll in the end thought the extra TE/FB blocker was more important than having RBush out there he needed one 1st down to secure the title.

2nd, in goalline and short yardage, White got the ball more. That makes his YPC more impressive.

His yards per touch is below Jarrett and Kirtman, does that make those two guys more impressive than Bush?

By the way, I am not saying Bush wasn't a factor, your overall premise. He is a great college player and had a good game. But he probably wasn't the most important Trojan (Leinart was, debatable between Bush, White and Jarrett after him), and defintely not close to the most dominant player on the field. VY had more yards rushing than Bush had rushing and receiving, and VY also threw for 268 more with 75% no-INT completion %. It is not a knock on Bush to say say he wasn't the best player on the field nor that he should go 2nd or 3rd (after Young or after Young and Leinart) in the 06 NFL draft.

 

IF Carr develops??? OK, here's where I start scratching my head. Carr has all the right tools to be a franchise QB. This organization has failed Carr and not the other way around yet to all of the VY fans, he's now become a crappy QB. It's as if he's become the fall guy for the incompetence of Casserly & Capers and that's both unfortunate and unfair to DC. That's why if the Texans draft Vince, I fully expect Carr to ask for a trade because that would be a signal that he's no longer considered a part of this team's future (and that the beating he's taken for the past 4 years was for nothing).

As for what VY did in college, yes it was quite impressive but road to the NFL is littered with the bones of great college players whose games did not translate to the next level. Only time will tell.

 

Same with RBs (Ki-Jana Carter, Curtis Enis), OTs (Mike Williams, Tony Mandarich--was taken between Aikman and Barry Sanders) and any other position.

It is not about Carr. Just like it isn't about Davis, Johnson and Mathis, who are all good in a lot of the things you want Bush to do.

You get who you think will be the better NFL player, Bush or VY. You choose who you think reflects the next Elway, Montana, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, or at least the next McNair, McNabb, Faulk or Dorsett. You don't miss a transcedent football player because you might have one who will develop into a good player at his position. Further, if the upside or evaluations is about the same, you take the franchise QB.

 

I think he even lead after the SMU game.





Look all due respect, why are we talking about Reggie McNeal in this thread? He's totally irrelevant to this argument.





I thought RM looked great in the freaking all star game, but it helps when he knows the plays, it's his coach and his wr.

 

Or Byrd.

 

-teams werent allowed to blitz in that game.
-even during the game, the announcers were discussing reggie mcneal switching positions.


reggie mcneal wont stick in the nfl as a qb. he may get drafted as one, but the guy looks 6'0 and about 200 lbs (which is why hes always hurt).

im happy for reggie though. i like to see texas kids do well. but i think aggsy are putting too much stock in an exhibition game. atleast the avalanche of hype for VY was because it was in an actual game with more than 100 people in the stands.

 

I don't think the announcers complemented mcneal once in the game, they were idiots. I am glad you know he will not stick in the NFL as a QB. AGGIES are excited to see what Reggie can do surrounded by talent, so it was exciting to see him finally be himself and have some playmakers around him. By the way the other QBs did not look impressive and their was no "blitz" for them either.
Also, its aggie, just like horns is not whorns.

 

IC200,

Your view is so clouded it is laughable.

 

Your statement is hypocritical. Please don't talk about his view even being clouded. I can't stand your posts most of the time as they are so full of bias and it seems like you want to marry and sex Vince.

 

my thoughts exactly, you should marry vince young

 

Hey DaDakoa, its IC2000

Most people here have clouded views, and you of all people especially.

 

yeah i honestly dont know where he'll get drafted or if he'll be successful in the nfl and neither do you. i just like giving aggsy a hard time whenever i can. its all out of love =p

 

I love how some only look at numbers to make conclusions. Yes, Bush had a good game statistically, but compared to White, he wasn't as much as a factor as everyone thought he would be. White had 3 TDs and couldn't be stopped, Bush kept going for the sideline and managed to only break 1 open the entire night.

Sure you can look at stats and say he was a factor, 9.3 yards per touch is great. But you can't possibly say Bush had a big impact on the game. You're right, the Horns keyed in on Bush and it did open up things for his teamates, but I sure hope the Texans don't pick him just because he creates a diversion for the defense.

If you really want to get down to the nitty-gritty, you can take away the last 26 yard reception at the end of the game since the entire defense was playing deep. You can take away the other 40 yard reception since he lost the possession anyways. Leaving Bush with 82 rushing yards and 30 yards receiving. But I'm not looking at stats to try to prove his impact on the game, because it doesn't tell the whole story.

Okay, I'll admit that Bush did have a HUGE impact on the game, especially when he threw the ball away right to us. But he did it in high school so he's not sure why it didn't work this time.

 

Aggies are incredible, no? They're resilient. We could win the triple crown this year and they would still say that they're in better shape than we are in every sport. Myopic. Most Aggies I know admit it though. They'll never give VY the benefit.

 

Yours seems to be clouded with hate though. You guys hate UT.

 

I don't have a problem with UT, I have given them their due. I even gave Vince his due. It always turns into everyone is jealous of UT

 

Then why are you posting crap about Reggie McNeal on this thread? He's irrelevant to this topic and to be frank, I don't think anyone cares about him.

 

Trivia: Who's the last #1 pick running back to lead his team to a superbowl?

Answer: I don't remember, but I hadn't heard of him.