[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Just like the Rockets, the Texans are in a pretty hard division

 

FINALLY a Sticky!

I'm starting to lean towards VY. I think he would be the best pick for the long haul. Bush would probably help us more next year, but VY will help us much more later on.

The question is (if we take VY) how long will it be before DD starts a thread saying we should have taken Bush? 1 game? 2 games?

 

All of you that think VY is going to make the fans go crazy..... Don't you think that will die down fairly quickly once next year gets going and those casual fans realize that Vince isn't even playing? I don't think there is any way they would throw him to the wolves like we did Carr. The realistic outcome for next season if we draft Vince is that he sits on the bench all of next season and we go 4-12.

 

NEVER !!!

DD

 

This is the sanest post by far.

I think we really need to wait on the Texan's coaching decision and the scouting combine reports, before the picture is really clear. Having said that, I am very sure some other team will find either Bush or Young too irresistable and trade the farm for them. The smart move for the Texans would be make that deal, since they are not one great player away from the Superbowl.

 

I am with this as well. What I think caused the uproar is the Texans publically coming out and saying they are locked into Reggie Bush (using the #1 pick) without fully evaluating the prospects in person and considering alternatives. Particularly when a 6'5" 230+ QB with a combination of athleticism and leadership pretty much none of us have ever seen toyed with the best of Division I athletes and coaches on the way to a NC and 20+ strait wins, and that guy is from Houston.

All the Texans have to say is they will fully evaluate the prospects and make the best trade or pick for their team. IMO it will take shockingly positive combine/workouts from Bush or shockingly negative combine/workouts (plus analytic tests) from VY for VY not to go #1. I have layed out where I stand, but yes got to be open to the workouts and evaluations.

Had the Texans just said VY did things we have not ever seen in the college ranks so yes we need to fully evaluate his pro potential and fit with us along with Reggie Bush and other top 5 prospects this uproar would be gone.

 

When that report came out saying they were going to draft Bush even if Young comes out the Texans bounced right back saying that was not the case. They didn't know who all was going to be in the draft and they had not even begun to evaluate everyone pro potential.

 

Not at all... if anything, it will increase the viewership of every game (and the entire game, no less)... while the fans will wait patiently for Carr to either falter, or (less likely) the team to get a gigantic lead so that we can all get a glimpse of Vince.

Plus, its not a given that Vince won't see "any" time next year. Remember, we'll have a new, most likely offensive, coach who is going to be a tad bit more creative than Capers/Palmer was. They know we'll still have a terrible o-line, so they'll be looking to mix it up as much as possible... which includes having Vince in on some plays, or having both Vince and Carr in... the possibilities are endless.

I keep flashing back to 2003, when UT had this unknown wonder on the sideline... and slowly, we kept on starting to get glimpses of him, and how amazing he looked in that short time... I'm ready for that feelin to happen again.

 

I don't think the fans will be waiting patiently. They will be all over Carr after one dropped pass. His poor family will probably have beer thrown on them if a pass gets tipped and intercepted.

 

Whether they're patient or not is irrelevant... the poster above was saying that the fans would stop being crazy after VY is riding the bench.

I'm saying the exact opposite is true... and your scenario is just one example of what will happen. Either way, people will be following this team like no other.

 

Oh yeah, guys. I'm sure there will be sellouts every game next year in the hopes that Young comes out and plays meaningless minutes until Carr hands the reigns to him three years later and gets traded. I'm freaking salivating over this scenario.

 

Fatty,

Do you really think that Bush will make a 2-14 team a contender next year?

Honestly?

It is going to take a couple of years anyway.....why not grow with a hometown guy who has proven himself at every level?

DD

 

I couldn't have said it any better myself, so I won't even try...also, another point raised here by leroy is that RB had LW, who tore it up on short yardage situations, which Bush could not...Bush is good, but you take Young, period...

 

I got a question to the Vince Young supporters.

Don't the Texans have to consider drafting matt leinart? I mean pre and post rose bowl he is in most peoples minds the best QB in the draft.

By saying we want Vince to me that means you don't trust Carr thats cool.

But if Vince is your guy. Wouldnt Leinart be your #2 choice?

 

I don't think he brings enough to the table to replace Carr. He's definitely a great college qb, and last season he would have been the 1st pick no question but why would you replace Carr with Lienart.


I do think Lienart showed he has something special beyond physical ability especially at the end of that ND game.

 

Hmmm.... well I think the first thing to consider before any rational decision can be made regarding these two is first taking the "hometown boy" out of the equation. Yeah it'd make for a good Hallmark movie of the week story. But c'mon, this city and fans will embrace ANY player that leads this team to glory. For every Campbell, Olajuwon, Drexler and Berkman there is a Moon, Yao, McGrady, Oswalt, Biggio and Bagwell. Doesn't matter if they were born/played here or come halfway across the world. As long as they come to play and help bring victories, the fans will be there. So let's strip these players of any hollywood glamour or local roots and look at them objectively. And looking at them objectively, the safe bet would be Bush. Though my heart is leaning toward Young.

 

Before the Rose Bowl I was all for trading down and getting a king's ransom for the top pick. I do not believe that Reggie Bush is the player that will put us over the top, especially when the Texans are already getting production out of that position. And if Gary Kubiak does become the next HC then you could put almost anyone in the offensive scheme he'll run and if its anything like Denver's, then that back will undoubtedly have success.

With a record of 2-14, a new HC and staff coming in the Texans are essentially starting over. I like David Carr, he was phenomenal in his senior season at Fresno State (first year I had the College Ticket from Direct TV), but it seemed that something (that "IT") was missing. But Carr got to the pros and he hasn't come close to to emulating that. Now I will say that he hasn't had the best talent around him, but he hasn't shown the intangibles (poise in the pocket, leadership, field vision) that make a great QB. When you watch Vince Young, he has all those intangibles, you hear how highly revered he is among his teammates. It sounds like any of Vince's teammates, coaches, friends would run throguh a wall for him, I've yet to hear something even remotely like that about Carr. When one of the Texans' rookies as interviewed on the radio and asked who some of the team leaders were, he named McKinney, Robinson and Walker, when asked about Carr he just kind of blew off the question and didn't have much to say about it.

The Texans are still three months away from the draft and have a chance to take a player who comes in and brings an identity and a swagger to a team that has none. They have the chance to draft a player that the entire city will welcome with open arms and will rally around even when the Texans falter next season.

 

Let's kill some of the Bush Stuff
Remove his KR and PR off his list of assets

he *WILL* NOT replace our PRO BOWL Returner

His receiving yards are fairly pederstian
Receiving: 478/13 = 37 yds a game


His stength is RUSHING
Rushing: 1740/13 = 134 yds a game

Impressive. 554 of it against Fresno and UCLA
Other than that
he has 1186/11 = 107 yds per game
a Respectable Average.

I think with Kubiak and a Good Denver type linemen effort
he can keep those numbers. . .perhaps bump them up
BUT . . .
There are Questions

Rocket River

 

QUESTION for Bush Supporters: What are realistic Numbers for Reggie Bush Next Year?

Behind this Texans' O-line

What are your expectations of Bush next year?

the same for Young Supporters

Rocket River

 

Kubiak is an Aggie. Since bias is so strong around here and accepted to bring in the hometown longhorn, maybe Kubiak will use his bias and not draft a Longhorn #1 overall.

I think people forget that Kub is an Aggie. And if you give the the argument that he shouldn't base his judgment on that because he is a professional and he should evaluate talent equally, then you are a hypocrite.