[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

You must have missed the part where I said "this is not a comparison". Somebody posted about Vince in HS and how we won a state title, which is not true. I then pointed out that Reggie won the state title. There is no need to compare who was a better HS player, especially based on stats. I know they have a football championship but other than that who cares. I don't watch any college sports but Football or Basketball.

 

So we can agree to drop this high school ****?

I thought you were posting "Vince couldn't even win a title with Courtney Lewis in his backfield and Reggie did. Vince lost to Westlake and Reggie beat them."

I just wanted to point out that Reggie played on a better team. Lufkin is/was and will probably always be better than Madison.

 

I personally did not see this state title game, but bringing your team back from 21-3 is one thing, being a great leader and having your team's undying support is another. Part of having "IT" is making everyone around you better.

 

Back in 1980, I personally brought back my High School team from a deficit (and a season-ending injury to our All-State MLB on the first play of the game) by extraordinary play at the right offensive tackle position, only to lose in the 4th quarter to Beaumont Hebert the year they won State. If only I could have gotten in two more blocks! They couldn't stop me, they could only contain me. Talk about having "It," I had "It." I was a man among boys and was assured of success at the next level. Even though I was heavily recruited... a guy from Blinn Jr. College talked to me once when he was offering scholarships to a couple of my friends... nobody could find the right situation for my talents, so I went on to star on the college intramural fields and eventually win the 1982 school championship in Horseshoes. That showed 'em.

 

yeah, well i played corner on my fraternity's intramural flag-football team that won 3 championships in a row. i had two interceptions in my last game...the final championship.

i also stole home to win the championship of my pony league baseball team.

I AM VINCE YOUNG! I AM TIGER WOODS! I AM MALCOM X!

 

Yeah well I saw Young take his pop warner team all the way. You could tell even back then that he had "it". He was a boy among toddlers. He took it all the way on a sweep play and then on the next possesion he scored on his own team so as to not make the other team fell bad.

 

Vince Young will be the first NFL player to throw the bomb and run down field and catch it for a 50 yd. touchdown.

 

This is my favorite response yet.

 

Don't give VY any ideas . . . he's not a Texan yet

 

Yeah, here's the play. He avoids the mad blitz by Mario Williams who beats our tackle (Mr. Nobody) on the play, and guns the ball downfield to our tight end (Mr. Nobody II). A.J. Hawke is all over the tight end and manages to get his mit on the football and punch it straight up in the air.

Vince outjumps Demeco Ryans for the ball and jukes Darnell Bing. As Bing hits the turf grasping air, Vince runs past Jimmy Williams for the game winning score in the AFC championship game against the Titans.

 

If my coach would have let me play in the championship, we would've won state. No doubt about it.

 

I think some people might enjoy this. IC2000- What the hell is going on in College Station? j/k

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6337132401241550611

 

I kept waiting for the sheep to come staggering out of the closet.

 

From John Lopez's blog. Good questions about Vince.

http://blogs.chron.com/lopezblog/
The questions Vince Young needs to answer
NFL scouts get paid to be overly critical. They break down every granule of a prospect's game. And then they break it down again.

With that in mind, I talked with a couple of old NFL friends down at the East-West Shrine Game in San Antonio (neither Reggie Bush nor Young are there) and asked them to get specific, even though it's early in the evaluation process.

They love Young's leadership. They love his scrambling ability. They love his size and strength.

And they actually don't worry much about Young's much talked-about throwing motion. As one scout put it, a good NFL quarterbacks coach could have it fixed by the end of mini-camp if Young is willing and does work on his own.

But here's the short version of what needs to be answered:

1) Young needs to prove he can handle an offense from under center. The Longhorns utilized Young's abilities beautifully, but the playbook was thinner than Jeff Van Gundy's lineup. Scouts believe the Longhorns instructed Young to make his first read, and if it wasn't there, tuck the ball and run. That worked in college. It won't in the pros. A quarterback needs to check one option, then check the second option, maybe the third and then throw away the ball. Scrambling so often will end Young's career quickly.

2) Young needs to show an ability to hit receivers on the move. That is, crossing routes and timing routes to the sidelines. Most of Young's success passing the ball at Texas came via deep routes to the tight end up the middle of the field, to a wide receiver down the sideline or on "sit-down" routes. That is, routes where the receiver uses his athletic ability to push back a defensive back, then turns around and Young throws him the ball. In the NFL, those passes are often covered. A QB must be able to read defenses and hit teammates on the move between seams in the zone or in tight-spaces in man-to-man coverage.

3) Footwork and taking on an entire playbook. Young needs to prove that he has the mechanics NFL quarterbacks must posess. It begins with footwork from under center and ends with audiblizing into the right play depending on what the defense shows. In limited time playing under center in 2004, Young showed a propensity to mis-read defenses and fumble the ball, scouts say. Once Mack Brown kept things simple, Young flourished. But that won't be an option in the NFL ...

 

I have watched VY a lot, including 3 viewings of the championship. I'll comment on these.

I think the shotgun issue is not important. It is not like VY isn't tall to see the field anyway. If anything the shotgun adds more reads and places more demands on a QB, how many sucky QBs do you ever put in a shotgun?

A light playbook, or specifically a major concern he couldn't handle a hefty one, could be a big problem.

I think this is bunk. VY scanned all over the field and hit multiple WRs in the championship game. It might have been a relatively simple offense, but he still looked all over the field (excellent field sense of his guys and the defenders) and made multiple WR progressions, almost always the correct one against complex defenses.

Really, I don't buy this either? Tarkington, Staubach, Elway, S. Young, S McNair, McNabb didn't have long careers? Being a statue (Palmer last week, Aikman and his concussions, Broadway Joe) can be just as hazardous. QB in the NFL is a dangerous profession whether you are quick or slow, but elite QBs last as long as any skill position players.

This should be dismissed. VY hit crossing routes all day with perfect timing and a nice touch. Further he shredded the SC zone's soft spots.

If you want to question his arm and routes, the real question is can he throw a bullet deep out with excellent timing. He was much more inconsistent with sideline routes, even short ones, than intermediate crossing routes (with velocity, touch and placement). I didn't see them from VY (deep timing outs), but don't know if UT runs them much either. I don't seem to remember Chris Simms throwing them, and he seems to have an NFL arm. I would be interested to hear from someone in the know if some throws Simms made VY wasn't good at and UT elimated them for VY? Not if some plays were dropped, but if they gave up some routes entirely.

These could probably be taught if they are not there, I would not say should be a major concern.

Yeah, this is a concern evaluations should try to address.

I don't see why he would misread defenses under center but read the defense terrifically under shotgun. A shotgun snap adds complexity and contribute to fumbles, the fact VY handles it should be a plus, not negative. Further, few games early in 04 when he was sharing reps and a very inexperienced player is hardly relevant to his resume 20 college games later.

IN SUMMARY I think at best half these points are on target. The most important thing (1) that should be addressed are is it likely VY can handle an NFL playbook? Alex Smith ran a spread, only not as well as VY and versus weaker comp, and he went overall#1. Carr is not the brighest of fellows either and went #1. But the real scouts have to get a handle on this for VY. This is the most critical question. (2) can he throw a bullet deep out? It would be nice if he can do an Aikman/Elway type 30 yard rocket to the sidelines. Not a deal breaker if he can't and is felt unlikely to even with mechanics adjustment--lots of great QBs have had an average NFL arm (e.g., Montana, S. Young), but if he is felt to be sub-par reading defenses for an NFL QB the arm strength issue becomes more worrisome. (3) much smaller concern should be mechanics. Only if #1 or #2 are really in play would I be worried about some minor mechanics issues.

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8189025168229710531



am I a VOF?

 

Were you a Texans fan before this off season and if so are you all of sudden going to be done with the Texans and become a Saints/Titans/whoever fan if he is not drafted by the Texans?

I can see it now. If he becomes a Texans and doesn't perform well right off the bat, we're going to see threads saying Kubiak doesn't know how to coach a running QB/a QB who can run. It's because he's an Aggie and he really wants Vince to fail. (just joking)

If they draft Vince I'm going to be happy.
If they don't I will still be a Texans fan and I'll be happy because they drafted Bush.

 

Wow !

 

I wonder how true that is. I know all of Texas Tech quarterbacks get overlooked because Leach has them mostly in shotgun. I don't think it's necessarily harder -- as a Tech fan, I thought Hodges was garbage.. hopefully next year the new guy can come in and take Texas down in Lubbock!

 

Watched the entire 6:22 of it.

Unimpressive. I forgot about the Kansas game. If he misses the 4th and 18, which was a colossal misassignment by Kansas, we're not even having this discussion.