[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

What baffles me is that everyone was dead set on drafting Reggie Bush or trading the pick, but with one stellar game by VY and his subsequent declaration to be in the NFL draft, has changed the gameplan completely.

Young is a special talent, but I think you make the safe choice here and draft Bush. At least that what my Vegas bet is going to be.

Either way, I think its a complete luxury to have the options we have at the first pick.

 

because before the one stellar game VY wasn't coming out. he stopped looking for agents.

 

No one thought that Vince was coming out. There had been talk from people wanting us to get him next year. I remember posts from people who said that it'd be cool if we got Bush then tanked to get Young in the 2007 draft. His declaration for the NFL obviously changed everything.

 

You see, this is just wrong, I have been saying take Young all along.......not everyone was enamored with Reggie...

DD

 

Why did it change everything? Why would it make the Texans think twice about drafting Reggie Bush? Especially since Casserly already said that Carr was their man at QB.

 

Yep...you have to think that the same talk would have started regarless of the Rose Bowl. His performance probably changed the minds of more than it would have had he been simply human in that game.

 

Im not enamored with him, I just think that he offers the best help for the Texans for the 2006 season. VY is a QB that would have to wait in the wings for a year or two.

 

It changed everything because he wasn't available before...he is now.

Don't take Casserly's words too seriously. He still has to keep Carr's value up. He can't say, "eh..that's it. he's gone. we think we can do better." He wouldn't say it politically...and he wouldn't say it because it would diminish Carr's trade value. And it's still possible they could draft VY and Carr could be the starter next season.

 

i'm not piling on...

he probably does offer the best help for the Texans in 2006...but what does that mean? instead of 2 wins they win 4? i think the Texans need to be thinking long-term. i wouldn't count on great success in the short-term, no matter who they draft.

 

wow..he just talked about getting so sick of hearing "reggie this...leinart this..this is what we're fixing to do" all that time while hanging out in LA waiting for the game. he said he was like, "alright..i'll let this build up in me and take it with me into the game."

love VY.

 

Good point. I guess I am more concerned about winning sonner than later down the road.

 

i hear ya. and i don't blame ya. i just don't think this team is one great rookie RB away from being a playoff contender. there's way too many holes on this team. i think they're essentially rebuilding..particularly when bringing in a new coach who we think is gonna change scheme.

if you're expecting even 6 wins...looking at their schedule...i think you're expecting way too much. this team was every bit as bad as their record indicated, no matter what anyone tells you.

 

Man- are you all listening to V Young on 610 right now-

WE'VE GOT TO DRAFT HIM

Too much class and you can tell he is going to succeed at the highest level!

 

It's like car shopping. You've chosen the Lexus without even looking at the Porsches because you didn't think one was going to be available in your price range. If you stumble across a Porsche in your price range, do you not take a look at it since you've already decided on the Lexus? Even though you'd really like the Porsche as well?

There's no point in advocating selecting a player in the draft when all signs pointed to that player not even being in the draft. Had VY announced in mid-December that he was coming out, you'd have heard a lot of talk about the Texans selecting him with their first pick before the Rose Bowl.

 

Sportsradio 610 said they would get the Vince Young interview up on the website-

Must listen to for this debate.

 

Have you actually watched Texas' last two seasons?

If you have, then you wouldn't have really been shocked by Vince's performace in the Rose Bowl. I know I wasn't

The fact is that Vince has had so many stellar games this season but of course BSPN continued their love fest with Reggie Bush all season. Vince pretty much only got coverage beating Ohio State, and the week around the Heisman. And even when it came for the Heisman, it was still Reggie Bush this , Reggie Bush that....

 

For the record, I like the idea of drafting VY, but it's still WAAAAAAY too early for all this. When the combines, Wonderlic tests, and individual workouts are all completed, get back to me. Committing to ONE player now, before the Super Bowl has even been played, is just asinine. Opinions on players WILL change. Draft rankings WILL change. Trust me. For 4 years, as the football editor, my job was to track NFL Draft prospects and select the best ones for trading card releases (including which players to sign to autograph deals). You'd be amazed what happens to opinions over the course of several months.

Vince or Bush? Christ, let's get a freaking coach first. Maybe even evaluate our crappy roster and see who's available in free agency.

 

I brought this from another thread because I think Da Man hit a lot of issues I want to discuss. I don't think questioning Bush's between the tackles ability/instincts, his evidence for being a worhorse, and durability in the most short lived NFL position, are degrading him.

Living in the Pac 10 area I have watched a ton of SC games for 2+ years, so I think I have a pretty good handle on Bush's strengths, weaknesses, and questions as a football player.

Bush is a phenomenal open field runner and terrific in space. He also gets to top speed as quick as anyone and has terrific balance. In these respects Ismail or Peter Warrick is a very good analogy (let's not forget these two plus rbs like Blair Thomas, Kijana Carter, Bryan Westbrook, Sayers all seem a little injury prone or took career ending injuries, it is more of a crap shoot than you think). Open space is a lot harder to come by in the pros (it was a lot harder for Reggie versus Texas and OU than his West Coast opponents), you have to be effective other ways. Bush also seems very wirery strong in a 205 or so frame, but not Emitt Smith type strong when every play it seems he got 3-4 more yards than they play should have gotten based on final contact.

Bush is not an outstanding or instinctive between the tackles runner. The persons you list--Dunn, Barber, Cadillac, Martin or say also throw out there Faulk, Allen, Sanders and Dorsett (because if you take Bush #1 you think he is like these hall of famers, not merely a very good player like Dunn)--made livings outside and inside the tackles. All great RBs, no matter how fast they are, in the pros must make most their livings between the tackles to produce 1st downs. This requires instincts on blocks and slipping tackles in tight space and so forth. Bush might develop this, or he might not. I can say for certaintly though the evidence of his 1st down producing instincts from college are not like Dorsett or Faulk. Reggie Bush's instincts right now is to try to turn the corner and outrace everyone to the corner if their is a little traffic. That doesn't work in the pros. In fact speed as a RB isn't as critical as instincts (slipping tackles/reading blocks) and lower body strength--that is why Emmitt and Payton are your rushing leaders, neither guy known for top end speed. A few guys have unique blends of both--Faulk, Dorsett, Sanders.

I am not saying Reggie Bush won't be a great pro tailback or a workhorse. But to not consider he wasn't a workhorse in college nor consider that SC didn't give him the ball 3 strait times when a 1st down secures you a title should produce legitimate questions. Certainly enough questions that you should not say you have made up your mind to draft him without ever individually working him out nor considering another college player who just declared who showed a combination of athleticism, size, leadership, and composure that most who have watched big time college football have not ever seen before.

Overall the safest pick is probably Leinart. VY and Bush both have a lot of adjustments for the pro game to be dominating pro players--I have focused on Bush here but I could on VY as well. But I do take issue with someone saying Bush is a sure thing RB like Dorsett or Faulk or Sanders--probably the comparisons a Bush proponent want's to make, those guys did have more evidence for their case, you can't deny it. Maybe LenDale would be good enough to take critical carriers (with National Championships on the line) away from pure runners of their level, but I doubt it.

Further it would be criminal to have a knee jerk reaction and committ to Bush as the Texans publically are doing without bring the individuals out for workouts. Since the season is over Bush's ability to run between the tackles consistently is never going to be know, that is going to be a lasting question. Honestly unless Bush shows Deion like speed (4.25) and Vick-like lower body strength (500lb squats?)--which is possible, OR unless VY shows a really weak arm or comes out poor in mental tasks relevant to being an NFL QB, VY should be the #1 pick whether the Texans keep it or not.

 

I'm one of the few who are still on board with Reggie Bush.

A Carr, DD, AJ, and Reggie thats a very solid offense that can do some damage with a coach like Kubiak.

The NFL is an up/down league. It would not surprise me to see the Texans in
or close to the playoffs next season.

Look at the playoff teams. Chicago? NYG? Tampa? Cincy? J-Ville?

Are we really "years" behind these teams? I highly doubt it. These teams were all garbage not to long ago. Good management/coaching can turn this team around instantly.

If Vince is the guy thats fine too. But the fans/ownership should still expect to win next season or this franchise is going the Arizona Cardinal direction.

 

One issue that should be thrown out is "need".

Who doesn't "need" John Elway, Barry Sanders, Gale Sayers, Peyton Manning, Bo Jackson, etc.

If you think Bush, Young or Leinart are on these guys level you take that player, period. Having Davis as a RB, Carr as a QB, Johnson as a game breaking WR or Mathis as KR/PR should not prevent you from taking a hall of famer who does there things and a ton more.

So you take the best prospect/player, or if you think that prospect is being overrated you trade the pick to someone you gives you the farm for it. This must be the center of the debate.