[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Those who honestly think the Texans didn't cave the last few games to get the top pick are fools.

 

Well I guess I'm a fool because I can not believe that the Texans are that good to where they can make the game close and even have the lead only to lose it and then put themselves back in a position to win it then lose in dramatic fashion. I wonder if Capers really thought if he delivered the number one pick he would keep his job.

 

Well yeah I'd say somewhere in between is ideal. You don't want someone that'll stay in the pocket no matter (Bledsoe) but then you also don't want a run-first qb (Vick).

 

whats that supposed to mean?

 

Seriously curious...who was the last RB that people would consider that he carried his team to the playoffs?

 

While the team may not have tanked, Kris Brown certainly did.

 

Shaun Alexander this year was the most recent. He was also the NFL MVP.

 

He also spent the game on the sidelines, loopy and acting like a little school girl.

 

Maybe Tiki Barber or Shaun Alexander?

 

Denver's running game should also be included. I could make an arguement that Cadillac had a bigger impact than Simms. Pittsburgh has built all of their success on the running game and a strong defense. Rudy Johnson was certainly a central figure in the Bengals success.

 

Carson Palmer suffered the worst injury of them all right in the pocket. Other posters have listed others, that is football but all things being equal being bigger, faster and quicker (like VY) helps.

They had pocet presence but they also used their feet to buy time for the throw or run downfield. Same for Elway, Steve Young, etc. Of course you should be good in the pocket, but it doesn't hurt if you have athleticsm to boot.

I personally think a better QB effort would have won the game. Rothlesburger played much better than Peyton, he just did. More accurate, quicker reads. Another way would have been using athleticism to kill the blitz (McNabb, McNair).

On his passing, he was 30-40 with no INT for 270 yards against the best defensive coordinator in college football. He made tons of plays in the pocket, as he did all year in leading the nation in efficiency. He is very accurate, threw to many WRs, and hit guys in stride with nice touch.

As for arm strength, he may not have a Vick-Marino-Elway-Aikman cannon, but I seriously doubt his arm strength does not compare well with Steve Young, Montana, Kurt Warner or at least 2 of the QBs still playing--Plummer and Delhomme. I'd much rather have a guy with an average arm who makes the right reads and throws a nice ball. The fact the guy is 6'5, runs like a gazalle, is incredibly poised in the most pressured of situations, and is a great leader--that is a lot going for him even if he does test with an average arm.

Also, ya'll act like Culpepper, McNair, Rothlesburger were as proven passers coming out. Forget their total stats, they passed versus pee wee league defenses compared to what VY chewed up.

Unless VY tests with a sub-par arm with little hope for improving/correcting it OR a much poorer Wonderlic/mental tests related to pro QB demands he is just too promising to pass up.

 

I remember a Reggie Bush highschool video floating around quite a while ago. Here's a Vince Young 2005 highlight video some might be interested in. Some pro-Bush posters might like to take a peek yourself (especially at this passing ). Doesn't include Rose Bowl highlights though.

Just a little something to watch to let time pass.

I think you need Divx 6 and be able to extract stuff.

http://www.utexasclan.com/photos/videos.php

 

I could care less about your stats. I already watched the game. Why don't you watch the game again and then read my response.

 

I may be mistaken, but I think I read that Vince through the ball 70 yards in a workout for UT coaches BEFORE going to UT.

I think his arm is plent strong enough.

DD

 

David Carr said he can throw it 70-75 yards on 610 one morning. I think it was sometime during the week of Bush Bowl. Also remeber him saying that he saw Jevon Kearse threw it 90 yrds.

Thats why he is Da' Freak.

 

As to VY's arm strength, I think his awkward throwing motion contributes to his problem on intermediate routes (I can explain this further if you would like - basic mechanics). When he throws the ball deep his arm angle changes. It doesn't suprise me that he can throw it a long way, but on 15-20 yds route I think he is going to have a hard time with these in NFL.

Also, I know his stats are terrific, but he plays in that spread offense which to me is a version of the run and shoot. Ware and Klingler also put up terrific stats in college but it did not translate well in the NFL.

As for VY running like a gazelle, I think he is an excellent running QB, but I REALLY want to see what his 40 time and agility drill times. To me hee doesn't seem to have blazing speed ala Vick. He is a very shifty runner, but I question his overall speed. QBs have the benefit of the DB/LBs watching receivers when they pull it down to run. I am not saying he cannot run, but I would not call him a gazelle. He runs an electronic 4.4 - then he's fast.

 

I have gone over this issue back and forth and I still find myself in the Reggie Bush camp because he will make an immediate impact on the Texans' offense by giving them a serious playmaker. With Young, it will be 2 years before you can know anything about what he'll be like in the pros. It's not his arm strength that's the issue, it's his accuracy, ability to read defenses and his ability to make all of the throws a pro QB has to make. He's the sexy choice in Houston now but mostly for marketing and promotional reasons and not for football reasons and that's where he will be ultimately judged. All of these folks clamoring for the Texans to pick him will turn on him and the Texans if they pick Vince over Reggie and it's Reggie who gets his team to the SuperBowl while Vince turns into another Randall Cunningham.

 

Vince Young would be the right pick.

Reggie Bush an OK runner up pick.

But considering Casserly isn't going to draft VY they should trade the pick.

5 draft picks is > Reggie Bush.

Except Casserly will be making the picks.

Now I give up.

(Here is my problem with Reggie Bush- never shown he can get tough yardage, break tackles, run in traffic and doesn't show the lower body leg drive that Barry Sanders and L Tomlison have- although he looks faster then them in open field- Plus Reggie Bush is going to be a situational back. He will not be used to eat time off the clock and get tough yardage in the 4th quarter. He will be used to make big plays. I liken his impact on a game to Randy Moss. What Randy Moss is to receivers, Reggie Bush will be to running backs. Nice addition, but he won't be a hall of famer. Vince Young will be a Hall of Fame NFL QB- remember this prediction)

 

He was on SR610 last week and they asked him how his 40 time is and he said that he hasn't gotten timed since last year but he ran a 4.42 last year. I'm pretty sure that number hasn't changed that much since then.

 

Some of you idiots already have Vince Young in the HOF.

Do you realize how much work he needs? Do you honestly think that he currently has a better throwing motion than Carr? Do you really want a quarterback that runs the ball?

It takes years of success to make it in the HOF.