[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

I don't know if this has been asked before(probably has been murdered), but

If Young was from USC and not Texas, would the "supporters" still want to take him because of his enormous potential and calmness?

 

Your ridiculous desperate assumption is that Carr has won big games because the Texans beat the Cowboys in one regular season game.

Hanging your hat on 19-10 is desperate and ridiculous. One stellar regular season game for a franchise four years ago is a joke.

The Texans have been the whipping boys of the league the past 4 years and I'm ready for it to stop.

I understand why some would prefer Bush. You aren't open minded enough to understand why others doubt Carr and why some would prefer a home town stud in Vince when our running game was above par last year and every other part of the team was well below including QB.

I'm not content with 19-10. I don't think Carr can win the big games. I don't think Carr can win most of the small games. I'm not happy just beating the Cowboys. I want a championship for Houston and I doubt Carr can bring it. I think VY could. Time will tell.

 

Check pages:

3, 34, 55, 65, 66, 88, 111, 144, and 152 of the thread

 

I am so ready for the draft to be over. I started paying attention way too early this year (that's the Texans fault for having the #1 overall pick, I guess).

I think Mario Williams is the better choice, but I must admit that I'd rather have Bush because I've already put him on the roster in my mind, and subtracting him and adding Williams would seem like a big let down. I guess I just want the offense to get a new toy. Even though the new toy would be overpriced.

And really, trading down would be the smartest thing to do, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

Vince Young... it would have been awesome, but the timing is just off. I just hope he doesn't end up on the Titans. Hopefully they'll take Leinert. Now that's a guy I can root against.

 

Just to add to this, Schefter was just on NFL Total Access and confirmed this report that the Texans and Bush are very close on the contract, and that it could be a done deal as soon as tomorrow. He also said that Mario Williams is actually hoping to be drafted by the Saints, because he felt very comfortable with their defensive coaching staff. Also said that Williams doesn't care about being the #1 pick, and basically said Mario would rather play for New Orleans than the Texans.

 

This isn't negative VY news. This is positive Houston Texans news. I just mentioned in another thread that VY deserved the heisman, not sure where you get off saying that I look for negative VY news, I guess you just made that up. I do however like to gloat a bit for arguing my stance all along that the Texans aren't drafing a quarterback. I've been railed and ridiculed in this thread, but you know what? I was right all along.

 

Great News. Time to change the title of the thread again.

 

They were the whipping boys of the league last year. They won the first game they ever played in their history and 3 more after that when some people were predicting 0-16.

Then they went 5-11 in their 2nd year of existence and 7-9 in their 3rd year. I'd hardly call that whipping boys.

 

I don't know why anyone would hold the Texans lack of success against Carr? He normally has about half as long as the average NFL QB to get the ball off. He's never been put in a situation to succeed. If it was Carr's fault, everyone would be calling for his head like everyone's been calling for Harrington's head for the last couple of years.

 

DaDakota. This is from January, you're a cool guy so i'll take it easy on you.
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Your new sig:
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." ~James D. Miles

Thats my favorite quote.

 

Reggie you took the most likely outcome - dug your heals in and flamed everyone that wanted VY to be the Texans' draft pick. Your position on Bush would be comparable to telling everyone that you are certain Kobe Bryant will score more points than anyone in game 2 against the Suns. Then after he drops 40+ making a huge deal out of the fact you were right.
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As DaDakota after what he did to SamFisher after the Boki bet you should have let him have it.
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Moving forward ~ I'm excited to see what Bush will do for the Texans I think he will be an awesome player.

 

Just a little more information based on the eariler report.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9399253

This is about halfway down the story...

But the other notable deal soon will be coming out of Houston. The Texans are on the verge of doing what so many college defenses could not -- bringing down running back Reggie Bush.

With significant progress having been made in negotiations for a new contract between Bush and the Texans, multiple sources believe a contract could be done well before Saturday's draft, maybe as early as Thursday.

Bush is expected to receive somewhere around a 10 percent increase over what the San Francisco 49ers gave last year's No. 1 overall pick, quarterback Alex Smith, who landed a six-year, $49.5 million deal.

The breakthrough in the talks is said to have come Tuesday night, during long negotiating sessions between the Texans and Bush's representatives. The Texans played the situation just right, using defensive end Mario Williams as leverage against Bush.

Plus, with the looming House-Gate controversy, Bush's people knew that if he didn't go No. 1, he likely would have slid to No. 4, the spot the New York Jets currently hold. Dropping from No. 1 to No. 4 would have cost Bush millions.

One of the ironies of the whole negotiation is that Bush has turned out to be easier to sign than Mario Williams, who expressed utter indifference at the idea of becoming the No. 1 overall pick. In fact, the idea of going to New Orleans is said to have excited Williams more than the idea of going to Houston.

Williams is enamored with the New Orleans coaching staff, wants to play in the city, and was hoping he would land there. It's no cinch he does. It's still possible that the Saints could opt for Virginia offensive tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson, who is expected to go in the top four picks Saturday. But multiple general managers believe Williams is the No. 1 prospect in this draft.

Note the bolded quote. I kept wondering why Casserly was having a Wednesday press conference to announce they had narrowed it to two players. Seemed like odd timing unless they knew they were going to get a deal done.

Probably better to tell fans they aren't drafting VY now rather than spring it on them the same day they finalize a deal with Bush. This puts all the questions about VY out there now and allows the draft to be all about the player they not take and not so much about the guy they didn't.

 

worst record in the league over the past 4 years by my count. Maybe your expectations were lower than mine and you wouldn't consider the us the worst team in the league the past 4 years but I'm a realist and we were the league whipping boys plain and simple. No team ever worried about playing the texans.

Winning one game against the cowboys was nothing. I've expected improvement every year. 4 years in and we havn't broken .500. I'm not happy about it. You can be content with 19-10 but I'm not.

 

I understand the GM perspective with going with Bush for the Texans. I understand the amount of money and time committed to Carr, and the very high potential with Bush. Still don't think it is the right decision, still think Bush is far from a sure thing to have a drammatic impact in the NFL, but I understand it.

But the venum and delusion by a lot of posters here towards Vince Young has certainly not furthered any endearment to the Texans. I don't live in Houston, I'd like to be behind the Texans, I route for them most of the time, but nor will I really care if they continue sucking. They will be #2 or #3 in my book.

 

That's what I've been saying all along. Carr is a big part of the problem. The few people that were in the stands during the games I went to last year were calling for Carr's head everytime he over threw a receiver, ran out of bounds or threw a tantrum on the field.

Don't get me wrong, I want them to win. I've never been a Carr fan and I think we are missing a chance to upgrade the most important position on our team.

 

Ok, this brings us to the crux of the argument.

One OPINION:
VY will ultimately be a greater quarterback than Carr, therefore, we need to take him because he is a once-in-a-lifetime player at his position.

Another OPINION:
Carr is sufficient to lead a team to a Super Bowl and Bush is a once-in-a-lifetime player at his position who can vault us into contention quicker.

Those are the basic sides to the argument with adjustments here and there as to why VY or Bush should be taken. But, the bottom line is that IT IS ALL SPECULATION AND OPINION.

No one here can see the future, so no one knows how good either player will be. We may find in 10 years that the best player in this draft was taken in the 4th round. We just honestly don't know...

Which is why I'm always so confused by the absolute vitriolic approach to the debate. No one here (or anywhere, for that matter) has the market cornered on truth, so why are you guys so hateful towards one another in your arguments? One side could be right or the other side could be right or (and actually more likely statistically) you BOTH could be wrong.

 

My favorite show and my favorite college player...

REGGIE BUSH ON CONAN TONIGHT!

 

I don't think I've been hateful (and if you show me where I have I'll appologize). I've defended my position and opinion that Carr is a big part of the problem.

Lets hope both sides aren't wrong because then we have to all suffer through more seasons of bad boring football.

I hope the Texans do well, and I hope Bush helps the team but I'm not sitting here with my battle red colored shades on giving Carr a free pass. The whole team has been bad.

I'm hoping all our players and draft picks will benefit from an improved talent level next year but then again what happend to our Tockets this year with such high hopes.

I don't know why Casserly is still here and I have zero confidence in his decision making. Lets hope Kubiak is making this decision and he's better than Dom and Cass.

 

There are several theories to explain this. The first theory is the "boomerang effect," which loosely translated, means that if 2 or more people have differing opinions, they will end up further apart after arguing. (We don't want to deal with the other side's viewpoint, so we cognitively push away.) The second possible reason is the notion of self-protection, where we often hold an attitude that "if you attack my position, you're attacking me personally." A third possibility is the concept of "inoculation" (yes, like the medical term):

The short answer: It's basic human nature. Well, at least for everyone except those nasty Vince-bashers, who don't qualify as human. (I keed! I keed!)

Man, my consumer behavior professor would have a field day with this thread.

 

People have gone after Vince Young in this thread on everything from his accent, mannerisms, non-football related IQ score and how he dances. Some of it with *acist overtones (just because Bush is of the same ethnicty doesn't erase this issue, they each are different people from different backgrounds with different mannerisms). One buffoon Vince hater claimed because Vince didn't celebrate wildly after his last TD to give UT a 1 point lead he must be an idiot not aware of his surroundings or the implications of the score. (When in fact in interviews it was clear he was focused on the 2 point conversion knowing the game was not over and that is what Texas would do next. He showed total command and focus.)

IMO those not favor of Bush with the 1st pick were not near as nasty about Reggie Bush the player/person.