[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Is it just me, or are there posts in here with people arguing about who loves their guy more? VY is BETTER than you say he is even though you say he is the greatest ever. Reggie Bush is even better than you think even though you think he's Gayle Sayers part deux.

My dad can kick your dad's ass and he'd do it if we weren't best friends...you jerkface.

You'd think we were arguing about war or religion or government spending.

 

True. But who would I rather listen to, the group of 3 named Allen, Munoz, and Shula, or the group of 32 who like to call themselves GM's in the NFL (the vast majority if not all of whom would draft Reggie over VY).

For what it's worth, I'm not a Reggie Bush homer. I want Mario Williams. But if I have to pick between Reggie and VY, I take Reggie any day of the week.

 

Just to throw a counter out there:

Let's see, a group including the most successfull coach of all time and two of the greatest at their position who played over a decade in the NFL, versus a group of GMs who largely have been unsuccessfull which is why they are in a position to realistically draft either one.

Just saying. The best of the best in a competitive industry look out of the box.

 

From ESPN Insider:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2420269

Bush remains Texans' preferred choice
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By Todd McShay
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Just so everyone is clear; the investigation of alleged illegal benefits provided to former USC running back Reggie Bush and his family is a prevalent college football story, but it will have no bearing on Bush's draft stock.

If Bush is not the first overall player selected in Saturday's draft, it will have everything to do with a failed negotiation between his agent, Joel Segal, and the Texans' front office. After all, what does Texans general manager Charley Casserly care if Bush and his family were living rent-free for the past 12 months?

The Texans continue to play leverage games by keeping contract talks open with NC State defensive end Mario Williams, but Bush is the player the Texans have targeted and continue to target with the top choice. According to what we're hearing, Bush could have a deal done with the Texans by Friday afternoon.

• The Cardinals might have a difficult decision to make when they go on the clock with the 10th overall selection. They would love for tight end Vernon Davis (Maryland) or defensive back Michael Huff (Texas) to fall to them, but that's not expected. Offensive tackle Winston Justice and defensive back Jimmy Williams were once considerations, but concerns about character have caused both players to drop a bit on some teams' draft boards.

Given all that, quarterback Jay Cutler and linebacker Ernie Sims are seemingly the most realistic possibilities at No. 10. Drafting Cutler as Kurt Warner's heir apparent makes long-term sense for the organization, but head coach Dennis Green isn't expected to be around long enough to develop the Vanderbilt product. Sims, on the other hand, could upgrade the Cardinals' defense immediately as a starter opposite Karlos Dansby.

After the front office spent big dollars on free-agent running back Edgerrin James this offseason, it seemed as though it was finally on board with the concept of building for a playoff run in the near future. If Cutler is the pick, however, it would serve as somewhat of a contradiction to that theory.

There also have been rumors floating around about Sims' durability. His medical report lists one concussion suffered, but some teams are concerned that Sims has endured others that do not appear on that sheet. If the Cardinals are uneasy about Sims' medical history, their draft-day decision gets decidedly easier.

Other teams also are scrambling right now to sort out the details. There is always the possibility a team interested in Sims has leaked false information in an attempt to get him to slip. If that's not the case, however, Sims could experience a draft-day free fall from a projected top-13 pick to the bottom half of the first round.

• Jimmy Williams also has been the victim of some vicious pre-draft rumors. Williams, who once was considered an elite prospect in the 2006 draft class, has seen his stock drop considerably the last few months. Part of the free fall can be attributed to his inconsistent play as a senior. However, reports of behavioral problems at Virginia Tech and a bipolar condition have also buzzed around NFL circles, leading to some serious doubts regarding his character and mental state.

In response to these allegations, Virginia Tech coach Frank Beamer wrote a letter in Williams' defense recently (Friday). The letter included the following: "Over the past several years, in an effort to avoid dissemination of misinformation, we have provided the NFL scouts written description of our NFL draft eligible players. … It has now come to our attention that there is some incorrect information being distributed concerning Jimmy Williams. Jimmy was never dismissed from a practice session nor was he ever diagnosed as bipolar."

The letter goes on to describe Williams as "Very competitive, a big corner with athletic ability; a good person; good team leader [during his] senior year." After talking separately to two NFL scouts, the consensus was that Beamer's letter definitely helps to clear the air regarding some of the rumors regarding Williams' past personality concerns. However, there are still legitimate worries regarding Williams' erratic effort they witnessed on film and the abrasive attitude displayed during individual interviews. In my opinion, Williams is too big a risk for an NFL team to spend a top-15 pick on but too good a talent to drop out of the top 25.

• According to a source, the Buccaneers have an extremely high grade on USC's Justice and would consider moving up for him if they can get a reasonable offer to make such a deal. If that's the case, the Bucs likely would need to trade up ahead of the Eagles, who also have interest in drafting Justice, with the 14th pick. A possible suitor could be the Ravens, who are interested in moving out of the 13th spot to acquire another first-day pick. The Ravens have just two picks (13, 44) on Day 1 but seven picks in Rounds 4-6 (111, 132, 146, 166, 181, 203, 208).

• In a recent Buzz, I listed two college hoops players (George Mason's Jai Lewis and Connecticut's Ed Nelson) as potential late-round NFL draft picks. Lewis is still very much a late-round consideration as a tight end or offensive lineman, but Nelson did not help his cause during an on-campus workout for NFL scouts late last week. Lewis was not nearly as agile or fast as expected, and his "stiff" position drills left scouts unexcited about his NFL future.

Scouts Inc. watches games, breaks down film and studies football from all angles for ESPN Insider.

 

You're right.

It just goes on and on and on and on.

 

Point well taken. The way I see it, neither Bush nor VY is a lock to be anything in the NFL. No player ever is. Both VY and Bush have very legitimate question marks surrounding them, namely Bush's size and VY's awkward throwing motion and largely unconventional play. However, in my opinion, Bush seems to be the more sure bet out of the two. VY is the tech stock here where you can hit the jackpot or bite the dust.

That's why I want Mario Williams. As I said before, no player is a sure thing, but Mario Williams is about as close as you can get to it. The guy plays conventional, proven football and he is a freak at it. Mario is not a circus attraction where he is going to defy the odds to change NFL football forever. He is not the little guy who might change the game or might be a glorified kick returner (Bush). He is not the unconventional QB that might be detailing Toyotas this time in 2008 (VY).

If I was Charley Casserly ( and thank God I'm not because no one wants to be the Art Garfunkel of NFL GM's), I would hype Bush up and then trade him for a package that includes Mario. If I can't secure that, hell, I would pick Mario # 1. It's not like we can't use him.

But I know I am in the total minority here in my opinion. I know the Texans will pick Bush and I hope he does live up to the hype. It's just that with Mario, living up to the hype seems to be a lot more certain.

 

Then why aren't any of them trying to trade up to get the highest rated RB to come along in the past 10 years?

I'm worried Bush is going to be a bust. I don't think he will but...

 

Yes...

That's the UT team defensive philosophy. Speed over size. That's why Bush was unimpressive in the NC game. Guess what: The NFL LBs are going to have both size and speed.

And stop flashing the Bush stats from the NC game. The guy was flat out unimpressive. He picked up a large percentage of yards on a couple of screens when the defense was in prevent. If you actually watched the game, he didn't make a significant impact.

 

Unless you count throwing the ball to the other team.

 

And the sheer hilarity of watching the "Greatest Player Ever" on the sidelines for 4th and 2, pensively staring out on the field as actual players lined up.

619, straight sideline thuggin it for life, yo.

 

Pardon my ignorance, but what does the "619" mean?

 

You might be wearing colored glasses if... you bash either of these players. Bashing Bush to pimp VY is lame, and vice versa.

 

The area code he grew up in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_code_619

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5536544

Texan picks for the first 3 rounds:

1. Reggie Bush RB USC
33. Marcus McNeill OT Auburn
65. Mark Anderson DE Alabama
66. Taitusi Lutui OG USC

I don't see the Texans picking McNeill over Winston. He was inconsistant at Auburn and doesn't fit our zone-blocking schemes because he's more of a mauler. He is massive though.

 

The Texans continue to play leverage games by keeping contract talks open with NC State defensive end Mario Williams, but Bush is the player the Texans have targeted and continue to target with the top choice. According to what we're hearing, Bush could have a deal done with the Texans by Friday afternoon.


Ball game! Lock this dude up

 

so why bother coming back in the thread if it bothers you so much?

 

Did I say it bothers me?

I just ignore it.

 

you're
You’re right, why would I think someone telling someone to put their razors away and how something just seems to be going on and on was bothered? Silly me

 

That's just silly. How can someone be so attached to an Area Code?

Hey, the first three letters of my car plate are "PBR." PBR Rules, Whooo! Don't mess with PBR! All my buddies with PBR rule!

Maybe I'll get a "PBR" tattoo.

 

Does it really matter to you? Common sense will tell you that he's not attached to the area code , he's doing that to show respect to where he comes from. Personally, as long as he puts up big numbers for us and helps us win games i don't care if he tatoos "619" across his forehead.