[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

That there's not a lot of them? What does that have to do with Vince Young?

 

John Elway, Steve Young, Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb--heck of lot of dual threat QBs have won superbowls or gotten close. Some of them lead their teams to playoff victories despite their teams being very overmatched at positions other than QB.

Honestly I am sitting around watching Manning get creamed because he is a statue, and saying what a difference maker would be a QB out who can improvise with his feet via buying time for the throw or running down the field.
I hate the Eagles, but it was always why McNabb scared the heck out of me and I have a tremendous amount of respect for the problems he creates for defenses.

Seeing the playoffs also shows the rarity of QB playmakers in the league who can sack up in pressure situations, I think it shows well for Young and Leinart's prospects actually.

On the other hand I don't see little speed all purpose running backs being near the factor. Even a slightly improved version of Willie Parker or Tiki Barber or Portis are not the biggest factors. Alexander, LT (not in the playoffs), Barber, Portis, Larry Johnson--the best of the best RBs are not going to determine the superbowl fate, ultimately the QB play probably will.

 

Thank you

Even though we favor different picks, I'll still root for the home team. They're both exciting players.

I just don't want a qb that takes the chances that Young does in running up field. If he had proved to me that he was a better threat in the pocket, my decision might have been tougher. If Young did not have his mobility, would you still take him based on his pocket passing skills.

With the right surrounding talent and proper coaching, Carr will be a much better player than you have seen. With more WR depth, a better line, freedom to call audibles not limited to rushing, he is going to be a much improved player.

I would even go so far as to say that Carr might be one of the most improved players next year.

 

And how many wins would we have with Vince instead?

 

You're not very good at going for a beer, are you?

 

One of the problems with your arguement is that McNabb and McNair did not make to the Superbowl unitl they improved their ability to pass in the pocket. I don't care which of these 2 you had in the pocket against Pitts. this weekend they would not have done anything either. The blitz got to Manning much to quickly.

There have been lots of teams with average QBs that have won superbowls with good defenses and running games.

 

Certainly if they draft Young he will have to pass from the pocket, but the Cowboys scouts say Young gets the ball to the receivers in stride and with a chance to do somthing with it....so he is already doing well there.

DD

 

You overlooked a major problem with Vick, Culpepper, McNair and McNabb this season: they were all hurt at some point in the year. I don't think the type of QB on every playoff team this season is a coincidence.

 

No I'm not, my mom's car overheated AGAIN. You would think that a Lincoln Towncar would be a bit more reliable. Its constantly in the freaking shop. By the time I got over to her and we got the thing towed and her home. I wasn't really up for driving down there and back up to The Woodlands. Sorry I didn't give you a buzz. I was just beat.

 

So what? All of them made the playoffs last season, is that a coincidence too?

Bulger was hurt, Leftwich was hurt, Roethlisberger was hurt, Warner was hurt, Pennington was hurt, Grossman was hurt...

 

I went to UT so I watched alot of their games this year. I thought his passing improved tremendously, but I question his arm strength on the outside routes. I also his receivers make some very nice plays for him on some of his deep passes which he threw up for grabs. Don't get me wrong, I like VY. I think I have more faith in Carr than you do.

 

That's another nail you hit on the head.

Most of Young's passing was short to the outside. The passes up the middle were either dump passes or passes that he made when the pocket was collapsing around him which created a gap between the players. How many bullets did he throw over the line? I saw a few passes that could have been easily intercepted, because he threw it in double and triple coverage.

 

As jumpman mentioned, a lot of other QBs were injured this season also.

The 2 older of these QBs have already apparently stayed healthy enough for one season to take their teams to the superbowl. That's a nice percentage, don't you think?

And although most QBs are suscetible to injuries in today's agme, one study that has not been done to the best of my knowledge: do well coached dual threats have more or less propensity for injury? Many here assume more, but they make actually be better at avoiding a big hit simply because they can make people miss.

 

Carson Parlmer IS hurt...for standing in the pocket. Whether your running or dropping back, an unlucky hit has the possibility of ending your season.

 

golly gee beave that's great

you're a swell fan.

 

Sure.

But most coaches don't want their quarterbacks running down field, because it just increases the risk.

 

Ok,

I am NOT saying the Texans should draft VY because of the marketing angle.

I AM saying the marketing will be a factor in the decision.

Also, I think taking a franchise QB is more important than a franchise RB.

I also think VY is a bigger upgrade over Carr than Bush is over DD.

DD

 

Well IMHO, neither Bush nor Young will help us get over 6 wins next season nor the playoffs in the next 3-4 years unless we improve our O-line. I support trading down and picking up some good linemen, but if we are going to keep the first pick, I'd rather have Young. Bush isn't very effective when working against faster defenses (like Texas had), and will have trouble against the even faster linebackers in the NFL. VY's work ethic, size, and leadership puts him over Reggie in my book.

Before VY declared he was turning pro, the only advantage to picking Bush would be the $$. A highlight reel player like Bush would boost attendence and merchandise sales (a la Michael Vick), but would never carry us to the playoffs unless our O-line improved. VY, on the other hand, being a hometown boy and all would boost attendence and merchandise sales even more so than Reggie. He would also be worthless unless we gave him some protection. No one knows how either player will do at the next level, but since we're keeping the pick I'd rather get a hometown hero. . . and the extra revenue for the team so maybe we can pick up a good free agent .

 

So true, we already have a good running back in DD, with a better O-line I'd say he could reach 1,200+ yards in a full healthy season.

 

didn't carr miss the last game too. it's the nfl, all qb's get hurt.