[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

If they are saying Bush is equal or better as an NFL impact RB than say Bo Jackson or Earl Campbell or OJ or Jim Brown or Hershell Walker than yes I am saying they have bastardized history of college, and pro, football.

One could argue he is in the league of other smallish but great RB prospects such as Faulk, Dorsett and Sanders. Personally I think Bush has a greater chance to fail to live to his billing as those 3 because those others had to excell with much less support and with much heavier workloads in college, but I could buy the argument Bush belongs in their category.

But does Bush belong mention with Bo Jackson as a complete and total phenom pro RB prospect with no reasonable field related questions (Bo's only question was could you get him to give up baseball)? No freaken way, not even close.

I didn't say other positions I said the quarterback position. There is a reason QBs are most often picked #1, and QBs are most frequent league and superbowl MVPs. It is because for any one player of a 22 man football team (probably 30+ with special teamers) the QB spot tends to be the most important and impactfull.

 

If Bush belongs with Sanders then he belongs with Bo. Sanders > Bo. Faulk > Walker. Sanders may be the best RB you listed up there. Style isn't the point here, smaller backs and bigger backs can both have great impact.

As far as positions I meant to respond to the Mario Williams article up there, I should have made a separate post.

 

Spread Vince's Rose Bowl stats over a 16 game NFL season.

This comparison is ridiculous. Bush played on a powerhouse offense with a Heisman QB, all first round talent on the O-line, a first round talent RB that he split carries with, a first round talent WR, and a former NFL head coach. He also played against weak Pac10 defenses. His hype was built up by ESPN and Top 10 countdowns.

Vince carried his team to the National Championship against a team that was allegedly the "Best Team Ever". Just like Bush is allegedly the best prospect ever, right? He's a bigger, better Vick. There should be no debate.

Bush is a glorified kick returner. He won't be able to produce effectively at running back in the NFL. Book it.

 

I would never book something that dumb.

 

Spread Reggie's stats against fresno state over a 16 game NFL season. Spread VY's game against the aggies over a 16 NFL game season. Whats the point? Only an idiot would use one game to make a broad comparison. Plus the consensus around here was that Texas' defanse was one of the best while USC's was below par. From an offensive standpoint, wouldn't you expect VY to have better numbers?

lol. Care to explain why he won't? Is he not big enough? Not fast enough? Can't cut on a dime? Can't run between the tackles? Or is it because your are a UT/VY fan? Come on man, your arguments & viewpoints are weak.

 

As to my reasoning... simply put, there is no evidence to support that he can produce in the NFL. ESPN highlights are not evidence. He split carries at USC, he had an overwhelming talent advantage on the offensive line, he played against weak defenses, and he's looked subpar against fast defenses.

 

If VY drops it will be like Jerry Rice, getting the best player in the draft without having the best drafting position.

VY will be the best player out of this draft, and not by a little bit, but by a LOTTA bit.

DD

 

I saw on ESPN that Woody and Skip actually agree on this very point, so you got that going for you.

And for what it's worth, I also concur, though I might change "best" to "most valuable." Football's probably the hardest sport to compare people of different positions.

 

So what? He split carried with one of the top 10 running backs in the country as well. Plus, Tomlinson wasn't exactly facing the greatest defenses at TCU but that didn't hurt him at the pro level.

And if 187 total yards is a subpar game for a player, then i definitely want that player on my team.

 

edit: crap this isn't the Astros thread.

 

there aren't any guarentees in drafts of any kind...

 

Did they win that game?

Was he on the field on the most crucial play of the game?

Did he carry the ball on that play?

Bush is gonna be good, no doubt, but IMHO, Vince Young will be Hall of Fame good (barring injury).

DD

 

I love it... 159 pages of a thread, and the same arguments that were being made on PAGE 1 are still being fought on this last one.

 

UT put the ball in the hands of their best player, USC didn't and look what happened. I tend to think the USC defense was to blame for the loss, when you score 38 points and still don't win the national championship game then there's something wrong with your D.

Regardless, I agree that Young will be very good, but for some reason Bush seems to take a lot of unwarranted blame for losing that game.

 

1. Imagine If Vince had played in more than 4 fourth quarters?

2. Reggie was a pretty avg. kick returner.

3. Both were great college players.

 

Is Burzmali = Nomar?

 

As a college player and pro prospect Sanders was not better than Bo Jackson and Faulk was not better than Hershel Walker. Not even close. Had there not been signability concerns (Bo and baseball, Walker with the USFL) those guys would have been slam dunk #1 picks when neither Faulk nor Sanders went #1 in their drafts. Had Bo Jackson been in this draft (and dedicated to football) I don't think ANYONE would take Bush over him. Bo Jackson had Bush's athletic gifts (Bo might even had been faster, he had been reported in the 4.2s) + about 30lbs of lower body strength. Reggie isn't the most special athlete to play RB in college nor the surest thing to come into the NFL. To say otherwise shows sloppy thinking and no sense of history.

 

I believe that Bo Jackson was timed at 4.17 or 4.12 something like that.

Edit: 4.09 in the 40

Bo was HEAD and shoulders the best player I had ever seen in college football, until Vince Young.

DD

 

I've said this before but Drew Kelson is a converted safety playing linebacker. He's faster than any of the other linebackers UT has, and he has legit cover skills.

 

Just a quick comment about Bo.....


A bunch of sports writers across the nation did a list of the "Greatest Athletes of All Time", and of course many had the usual J. Owens, Ali, ect. as the number 1 overall, but Dick Schapp had Bo Jackson number one on his list. He said he was easily the best athlete he had ever seen.