[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Green Bay? If the Packers selected VY I wonder what Favre would think about that. Farve, VY, and Rodgers. Now that's a lot of money in one position.


It won't be all that surprising, no matter what Brett Favre decides about his future, if the Green Bay Packers consider choosing University of Texas quarterback Vince Young with the No. 5 slot in the first round. Assuming, of course, that Young still is available there. Some in the league insist that the Packers' brass is becoming increasingly captivated by Young's unique skills set. So much so that, while the Packers have a lot of holes to fill, they might find it difficult to pass on a player of Young's stature, even if there is some redundancy involved in taking him. Green Bay invested its first-round pick in 2005, of course, on quarterback Aaron Rodgers, and the conventional wisdom is that he is the starter of the future. But there is a belief in some quarters that the former University of California star isn't necessarily viewed as the heir apparent to Favre's job by everyone in the Green Bay organization. First-year head coach Mike McCarthy was the offensive coordinator in San Francisco last season, and worked with 49ers top pick Alex Smith, so he is eminently familiar with having to wean a quarterback away from the shotgun as his primary formation and convert him to playing behind center. That's the task, or at least part of it, which awaits any team that chooses Young.

As noted here last week, if Young slides out of the top five, its hard to envision Oakland not stopping his plummet with the seventh overall selection. And Arizona would jump on him with the No. 10 slot if he dropped to them. Keep an eye on Tennessee, too, with the No. 3 overall pick. It's not a slam dunk, even with the presence of offensive coordinator Norm Chow on the staff, that the Titans would take Matt Leinart of Southern California over Young as their long-term quarterback of the future.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insi...ist=pasquarelli_len&id=2400591&CMP=ILC-INHEAD

 

Oh man, if Rodgers gets "screwed" TWICE by Texas (re: BCS 2 years ago), I would laugh and laugh and laugh. If GB takes Young, I'll chalk it up to karma over Rodger's sour grapes quotes during the whole BCS selection.

 

I would think if VY slipped to #5 that Green Bay would be interested in trading that pick plus their second rounder and a 2nd rounder next year for Reggie Bush.

Would we do that deal? GB's pick plus 2 second rounders for our #1?

 

The Packers are in an interesting spot. If a VY or Leinart fael down to them, they would have to consider taking one of them. Rodgers is decent but he isn't VY or Leinart. But they could also use a defensive player like Mario Williams or AJ Hawk.

 

You need to consult a pick value chart and take off the Rose Bowl-colored glasses.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/NickelPackage/tradevaluechart.htm

Consider Round 2 this year = Round 3 next year.

No way the Texans trade down for anything less than a 1st rounder next year, VY or no VY.

 

I agree it isn't enough value, just look at the Eli-Rivers deal. Took an extra 1st, 3rd and 5th. This was for a trade with a team (SD) that HAD to move their player.

While I think it is a good idea, VY isn't happening. It would take another team lined up to take Carr, and a prearranged deal to a team who you know could draft VY. That only team other than the Texans that with certainty will get a crack at VY is NO, and they have absolutely no reason to move uo because they are not in the market for a tailback (Bush) or quarterback (ML, VY).

In other words it is just too complicated to prearrange moving Carr and trading down from Bush and still be certain you could get VY. Just a game the Texans couldn't think about playing.

 

Oh bologna. The Texans are already playing the game. All this posturing, bringing in players like Mario. The ideal situation would be for a bidding war to break out for the pick.

The key is going to be if NO moves down and somebody moves up to grab a QB. That could drive a bidding war that causes a team like Tennessee or NY to want to move to #1 to assure they get their man.

Would the Bush supporters move down to #3 if they knew they were still going to get Bush and Vince and Lienart were going 1-2? Why wouldn't we if we could still get Bush and pick up some other picks? What if somebody like the Jets offers us a Herschel Walker-Ricky Williams type trade? I don't think we would turn that down, especially if we could still get WIlliams or Hawke, along with an extra #1 next year and extra 2s and 3s.

Or what if NO doesn't trade their pick and they take Williams and Tennessee then takes either Lienhart or Cutler? Now the Jets are sitting there staring at Vince, Cutler, D'brick, Hawke, etc.? Casserly rings them up and asks what they would offer for the chance to bring in Reggie Bush, whom the Texans took with the first pick. They're all sitting there in the war room. They've brought in QBs. They've lost their coach and are coming off a very poor season. What better player could they bring in to light a fire under the franchise, pump up ticket sales, make all the fans happy, and increase their win total the most with next year? It all points to Reggie. Would they throw us this years 1 and 2 and next year's 1 and 2 for the opportunity bring Reggie in? Then we draft Vince, take a running back like Deangelo WIlliams with our 2nd rounder, or forget running back and build out the right side of the offensive line with the pick and add the highest rated cornerback with the other 2nd round pick. Then get some backers, maybe another offensive lineman, whatever else we need with the third rounders. Then go into next year with 2 first rounders, and 2 second rounders and the opportunity to combine them to trade up and get a back like Adrian Peterson or set pretty with what we have and add talent to a playoff competitive club.

I think the Texans are playing this game to the hilt baby. This is the biggest draft of the last few years. Bush and VY are going to be superstars and guys like Lienhart and Cutler are going to be stars, plus Mario Williams, Hawke, and D'brick have legit chances to be the studs at their positions for the next 10 years.

 

The Titans won't move up because they are almost guaranteed one of the QBs (VY/Leinart). Word is that they're not sure who they want so this would actually make it easier for them. But they will most likely stay put.

The Jets could go with or without a QB. Pennington restructed his contract and they brought in Ramsey. They could use Mario Williams to fill in for Abraham.

This is silly, of course we would trade down if it meant Bush + picks, but that won't happen. Bush isn't getting passed NO.

 

You have to play the game, it would be irresponsible not to.

The Jets are actually OK at DE without Abraham, they have Von Oelhoffen and Shaun Ellis. They will most likely go with D'brick but one of the Quarterbacks is not inconceivable...as is trading up to get Bush to replace Martin, a looooong shot but not inconceivable.

 

Reggie Bush's subway commercial?

http://www.subwayfreshbuzz.com/

It's pretty lame.

There are some video blogs on there too.

 

I kinda like this picture. It just reminds me how he can be at full speed and cut inside and leave you there feeling like an idiot.

 

he's gonna be awesome!!! i can't wait!!!!!


(i'm trying!!!!)

 

Have ya'll seen this?

http://anaheimcolonists.com/bigreggiestyle.wmv

 

Bush won't make it past #2 no matter what. We would be idiots not to bring in Ferguson and Leinart as well. You have to take a look at anyone who may be available when you pick (especially if you get blown away with a trade offer). You don't want a team to throw some ridiculous offer at you, have Williams sitting there to be picked and not have worked him out and interviewed him (although that would fit right in on normal Texans draft days)

 

i was talking about that this morning with one of my business partners. the one who is super-sold on reggie. he said exactly what you just said.

 

It's just about putting yourself in the best position possible. If nobody blows us away with an offer for the first pick then I'm taking Reggie but I don't want to use a top 5 pick on a guy I've never worked out personally or spoken with. I don't care how good those guys appear to be you never know.

 

After we draft Reggie #1, I am sure we will still be listening to offers. However, if we moved down to #4 after the Jets gave us an AMAZING package (and trust me it will have to be stellar), I dont think we would take VY over D'Brick.

They want to win now, and that means dont spend your 1st round pick on a bench player. Whether that logic is wise...I dont know. But I think the chances of Vince being a Texan are exceptionally low.

 

From what it's starting to sound like VY won't be there at 4. I keep hearing him to the Titans at #3 more and more (this of course could be a ploy as well)

 

I see somewhat of where you are coming from now. I actually think it is a good idea. Draft Bush, then either keep him or field offers. The likely target could be SF(6) or NYJ (4) who need a great prospect and an even greater media splash factor. Houston will still be sure to get among DBrick or Williams at #4, or one of those two or perhaps Vernon Davis at 6 (another way IMO to open up the offense as much as Bush would). Getting DBrick/ Williams/Davis plus like that teams 2nd rounder + next year's 1 + next years 3rd (see Eli-Rivers deal) could be a very smart course of action, not a probable course of action, but smart.

However what I don't see if Young or Leinart in the picture for trading down. Because that also requires a pre-arranged trade of Carr to another team for decent worth set up, and negotiations to the team you are sure to draft your guy (the only team this could be is NO, who has zero motivation to trade up). That is where I say things are too complicated and too messy, too many contingencies the Texans don't control to considering trading down for a QB. If the Texans were confident Vince Young was enough superior of a prospect to build with him over Bush and Carr (I think he is, but there is no sign the Texans think this), they would simply plan to draft Young #1 and trade Carr for whatever they can get, not mess around with trading down for a few extra picks while potentially missing the key player why you are doing this in the 1st place.

I say 95% the Texans take Bush overall #1, and maybe 20% they trade him for a bundle and start their draft with the best non RB/QB available (most likely through SF or NYJ starting with their 1st pick). Further, with Carr and his 3 year extension (lots of money committed and very hard to trade for reasonable worth given how unproven he is) it makes it very unlikely the Texans use any 1st day pick for a QB, and in particular a 1st rounder.

 

95% + 20% = 115%.