[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

but I don't dislike bush, I never have, I never have been for drafting him either for the texans. and again, I've never said anything negative about bush, his skills, or anything. personally I never said that white may have been better. I've never said he won't be an every down back. I've never said he won't be able to do in the nfl what he did in college.

and I'm glad you at least admit that vy has more negative things written about him. i don't know anyone who has anything personal against bush, but I can name a few posters who have written pretty nasty personal posts against vy.

 

Bush and VY are genuinely good guys with bright futures ahead of them.

 

MadMax is not going to like the newest cover of his son's SI magazine.

 

and vince young will be here tomorrow

 

I was all for drafting VY at first.. but if you're still clinging to that hope, I almost feel sorry for you. The fact that Leinart hasn't been mentioned as being on the Texans radar should show that the only reason they're entertaining VY is to please us. I'm ecstatic to be getting Bush with our new offensive additions.. this should be a fun year to be a Texans fan.

edit: Add that to what Moulds said in the paper:

 

our subscription lapsed...it was SI for Kids. Who's on it?

 

Yeah I cannot find it online.

 

I can agree with this

 

VY in a titans uni.

i rewatched the rose bowl a few night s ago and man..... i would love to have VY on this team. just seems perfect.

but you know what, if VY ain't the one, than i'll be more than happy with bush. the guy is a stud - a true playmaker. our offense will be pretty lethal with either one of those guys. VY just pulls on my heart strings a little more.

 

Yeah, he works out tommorrow. Honestly, I think it's a situation of having to take a look at him privately (the same with Leinart). It would be dumb not to at least work them out.


If you don't bring in prospects other then Bush then you tip your hat. Casserly IMHO is just saying he is fielding offers to see if he can get something ridiculous. Fact is, it's not going to happen. The only team that will jump ahead (from everything I've read) is NY to get Leinart. That being said, they could get a better deal from NO. Why would they deal with us? It costs them more and we are stuck. We can't trade out of the top 5 because Williams, Brick and Hawk could be gone. I think GB is content where they are as I haven't seen them looking to move up. They have like 20 rb's (and our content now with getting a guy like Hawk). Tenn and NO have no reason to move. NO isn't going to move out of a spot where they can't get Brick or Williams either. I think Tenn would be just as satisied with VY as Leinart (not enough difference to trade high picks).

Realistically, NY isn't giving us Vilma and their #1. Just not happening. Bush is already looking at houses and talking contract. There really isn't a trade out there (unless it's with NY and they better pay too b/c we're taking a huge risk with Brick) there isn't a trade out there for us.

 

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3774738.html

Reggie Bush 'excited' to be in Houston for visit with Texans

By MEGAN MANFULL
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

As soon as 2005 Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush arrived in Houston for the first time, he was ready for his tour. It was already dark when his plane landed Wednesday night, forcing Bush to be patient, whether he wanted to be or not.

Thursday, Bush's first official day will begin in the city he hopes to call home after the April 29 draft. Bush will spend all day at Reliant Stadium to help him become familiar with the facilities and the personnel.

"I've been looking forward to this visit," he said. "I want to let everybody know who I am and what I am all about.

"I'm so excited to be here. I wish we could have started today. I'm hoping Houston will be my new home."

Bush, who is in town with his agent Joel Segal and marketing consultant Mike Ornstein, is one of two players the Texans are considering drafting with the No. 1 overall pick. The other is Texas quarterback Vince Young, who will visit and have an on-field workout with the Texans on Friday.

Bush arrives less than a week after he put together a strong performance at Southern Cal's Pro Day last Sunday. While in Los Angeles, Bush spent time with Texans general manager Charley Casserly and coach Gary Kubiak.

Much of Bush's time Thursday will be spent meeting Texans owner Bob McNair and many others in the organization, including offensive coordinator Troy Calhoun and running backs coach Chick Harris.

 

is there any way we could select both players?

"with the first pick of the 2006 NFL draft, the Houston Texans select Reggie Bush and Vince Young."

then tell every other team to kiss our ass.

 

Vince article...

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9358699/1

Vince Young is no draft risk.

I didn't say it. Jerry Rhome did. And you better pay attention because not only was Rhome an accomplished quarterback and rock-solid NFL assistant, but he's now Vince Young's tutor.

He has been the past two months, flying from his Atlanta home to Houston to work with Young on his passing, his footwork, his drops from center, his decision-making, you name it. When I caught up with Rhome he was packing Monday for another trip -- this time to work with Young in preparation for a workout Friday with the Houston Texans.


Everyone knows VY can run, but questions remain about whether he can throw. The Texans aren't expected to draft him; they seem zeroed in on Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush instead. But that's not the point. There are many, many others willing to spend millions on Vince Young, and Rhome is here to tell them they should be.

In fact, he's here to tell them more. Much more.

"I'd be excited if I were the club that had a chance to draft him," said Rhome, the 1964 Heisman runner-up, "because of all the upside he has. He hasn't even scratched the surface. I just think you have a guy where it's all in front of him."

Rhome isn't alone in his opinion. Two weeks ago Young held a workout attended by more than 100 NFL scouts, coaches and executives. Among them was Houston owner Bob McNair, who introduced himself to the quarterback prior to the 30-minute session.

All were there to see what Young had to offer. They'd seen videotapes of his astonishing Rose Bowl performances, but Young didn't throw at the February scouting combine, and there were all these questions ... OK, all these doubts ... about the guy.

Could he take a snap from center? How comfortable was he out of the shotgun? How quickly could he make decisions? And what was up with that awkward throwing motion?

Then Young went through the drills. He threw from three-step drops. And five. And seven. He threw short passes. He threw deep passes. He threw to the sidelines. He threw across the middle.

In all, he threw 57 passes and completed all but a handful.

"It was a great workout," said Rhome. "I said a little prayer before it all happened, and I was proud of him. He had fun with it. You could see it. The guy rises to the occasion when the pressure is on him. He put on a show."

The workout was a microcosm of Young's illustrious collegiate career. Rewind the tape to the 2005 Rose Bowl, and you find Young producing 372 yards and five touchdowns in a come-from-behind 38-37 win. Then fast-forward to this year's national championship game, and there is Young again -- this time running for 200 yards, throwing for another 267 and scoring three times in a 41-38 come-from-behind victory.

"That," USC Coach Pete Carroll said afterward, "is an extraordinary football player."

Nobody questions Vince Young's athletic abilities. What they do question is how those abilities translate to the pro game. Some people continue to wonder if can operate over center. Others aren't comfortable with his delivery. Still others point to his Wonderlic score at the February combine as a warning that he might struggle with the information overload about to engulf him.

Relax, people, and tune in again to Jerry Rhome.

"When I first started," he said, "I was like just about everyone else: I wanted to see what he was all about. Most of the negativity was about his throwing motion, but that actually is a positive. He gets rid of the ball quicker than anyone I've seen. It's not as if he throws side-armed; it's that he just doesn't take the ball back -- and, as a result, he gets rid of it quickly. It's like a three-quarter whip motion, and it reminds me a little of Kurt Warner. He takes the ball back, then -- boom! -- it's gone."

Well, then, what about that Wonderlic whiff?

"A mistake was made," said Rhome, "so he retook it, and the score he finished with wasn't bad. Listen, he's not getting ready to be an English teacher or a math expert. He's learning individual throws, protections, audibles, when to throw and when to take the sack because that's his business. If the question is: Is he brilliant enough? There's no doubt in my mind that he is."

OK, let's move on. There's Young's history with a shotgun-offense. Alex Smith played in one at the University of Utah, and it didn't stop San Francisco from making him the first pick of the 2005 draft. But look what happened: In his rookie year, Smith threw one touchdown, 11 interceptions and fumbled 11 times.

Who's to say Vince Young is different? Let me introduce you again to Jerry Rhome.

"He can do anything you ask him," he said, "and he proves it over and over. All he needs to do is get in a system and have someone coaching him. He did what he was asked to do at the University of Texas, and he did it very well. The criticism really isn't fair because all he was coached to know was that offense. I'm very, very impressed with how quickly he adapts."

As an example, he cited Young's work on three-, five- and seven-step drops. When Rhome first demonstrated for his understudy, showing him how to retreat seven paces before steadying himself to throw, Young shook his head in disbelief.

"Man," he said, "that seems like a long way back there."

And it was. Especially after Young tried it. Where Rhome wanted him to set up eight-to-eight-and-half yards behind center, Young was taking it to 10 -- largely because he has such an enormous stride.

No problem. The two made corrections, and Young began to get his steps down. He shortened his stride. His confidence grew. Setting his feet wasn't an issue. Neither was delivering the football, and don't take it from me. Ask the people who attended his workout.

"If anyone is going to make a mistake on him," said Rhome, "it's because they're looking at him on film. He's not the most polished guy on film. But look at him now: He's such a quick learner. He did what he was asked to do.

"All I know is he's proved it. I'm not a magician. You can take him and coach him, and he responds. Would I have any reservations about drafting him? Absolutely not."

 

Quote:is there any way we could select both players?

"with the first pick of the 2006 NFL draft, the Houston Texans select Reggie Bush and Vince Young."

then tell every other team to kiss our ass.


That's what I'm talking about....

 

Why would that even matter? We have the first pick, so everyone else adjusts to us. We're in the position of power. If we trade down, it'll be for BPA, anyway, since Bush will most likely be gone after #2. Bringing Vince in is just a way to please the fans, sadly, plain and simple. No need for Chaz Casserole to throw up smokescreen with the first freaking pick.

Boy, it sure would be a tip-off to other teams if we have Bush under contract before the draft.

 

great post. I'm sick of the, "the decision is made posts". when the decision is made, contract talks will start, it happens all the time with teams who have the first pick.

 

It may not apply for this year, but as a general rule, you always want to throw up a smokescreen for the #1 pick. Why? Because that forces other people to deal with you if they want a trade. Let's say it wasn't completely unclear whether we were taking a QB or RB. Then, if someone wants to trade up for Matt Leinart, they absolutely have to go to #1, or they risk us taking him. If other teams know who we're taking, they have more flexibility in trying to trade up to 1 or 2. Or if they are open to either Leinart or Young, and they know we're taking Bush, they can trade to 2 or 3, whereas otherwise they would need to trade to 1 or 2.

Letting other people know who you plan to take is only a non-negative strategy if there's absolutely no way you will change your decision, no matter what the trade offer is, in which case it doesn't really matter to you who knows.

 

Bob Allen showed it on last night's news. It isn't VY in a Titans uni. It is Reggie Bush in a Texans Uni.

 

Someone with the texans still evaluating vy, and considering all the rhetoric coming out, considering mr. mcnair went to go meet vy personally at his workout at ut, that someone who's hasn't given his blessing yet to the bush pick, is more than likely mr. mcnair.

 

The decision has been made.