[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

If they graded it wrong, it seems like it'd make more sense for it to be off more than slightly unless they just graded one question wrong. Regardless, we have the NFL saying the report of 6 is false and another league source saying reports of that low a score are false.

Only the haters think the original report was true. Or that it matters more than 467.

 

Here's why:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/bill_syken/03/30/vince/index.html

 

rocketman95.. I'd just think you would more than likely just miss a question or two if you grade something wrong...

And a report that says that reports of a score as low of a 6 are wrong.. means anything above 6 is possible..

one of the houston tv stations mentioned the 7 thing as well.

I just think it's reasonable to think if the 2nd test was only a 16. the first attempt probably wasn't very good.. some people have said he retook the same exact test.. so.. i dunno

don't really care anymore at this point

 

samfisher..I think coaches would be more than willing to change if they thought it would make them win more games...

but do they think they'd win in the NFL with a different system?

 

But they have an inherent bias agaisnt this, being control freaks and being paranoid about getting blamed when things go wrong.

Mack Brown changed his approach to fit Vince and succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.

Really, I'm just repeating what's in the article, which addresses the points you raise, I think.



This is sort of one of my pet issues with regard to sports and life - I think that rigidity and doing things a certain way for no better reason than that that's the way everybody is conventionally "supposed" to do them (e.g., the rox shouldn't hire Morey as GM because you're not "supposed" to do that, and instead bring in some re-tread from the NBA front-office-go-round, the Rox should bring in Alston because you're "supposed" to have a "pass-first PG", etc etc etc) is at many times counterproductive and stifling.

I under stand the logic behind "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".....but "if it ain't broke, don't bother trying to improve or anything newr" is not helpful in my opinion

 

I'm actually more interested in figuring out how the Texans could trade down to 2 and still get Bush. I'm over the whole Vince vs. Bush thing, its old news.

 

mateo.. I'd love to move down to 2 if we can get bush.. as long as someone doesn't then trade with whoever moves to 1 and get bush ahead of us..



samfisher.. true, I just don't think it's a control thing as much as a .. don't want to get fired if it doesn't work.. good point though...

 

Nobody is going to trade up to #1 and take R. Bush- be sure of that, the only team in the league that would draft Bush #1 is the Texans because they sit there.

Anyone who think R. Bush is worth trading up to #1 probably works for ESPN.

Teams might move up for a QB, but not a running back, if New Orleans won't deal and Tennessee won't deal, or if there are more than 2 teams willing to trade up for a QB then the Texans will get some offers.

Team most likely to move up is Arizona, I think they would like VY to fall but might get nervous. They will be making some calls.

 

I can't believe you still cling to this. Yeah, you're right, Vince's was the only test that mysteriously got regraded. riiiiiight. Too many people have too much to lose if people find out VY made the 6. The Texans draft pick loses value, UT-Austin's academic reputation is humiliated (VY spent 4 years there and could only get a 6?!???), Mack Brown's rep is hurt b/c he's exposed for bringing in buffoons who don't belong on a campus of higher learning (never mind his team's stellar 40% graduation rate...), Vince himself loses millions, etc. You get the point. There was a coverup. VesceySux confirmed it and I applaud him for being able to lose the orange colored glasses many of the rest of you are wearing.

 

You're right bro. There's no team in the NFL that would trade up for Reggie Bush. Even better is the fact that you think anyone who thinks Bush is worth trading up for works for ESPN. Well, considering he's rated the #1 prospect in the draft on every single draft board I'm pretty sure he has #1 pick value.

it's all about team needs. Just so happens that QB is the hot position irght now. If Bush isn't worth trading up to #1 for then Vy sure as hell isn't.

 

Also, no team is going to take Bush at #1 because the Texans won't let them. Only teams Texans would move down for would be teams taking a QB.

 

This says nothing about anyone trading up to #1 to get Bush. Its about someone trading up to #1 to get Leinhart, and the Texans STILL getting Bush.

In my opinion that seems almost impossible. We'd have to draft Leihart, and trade him to N.O. for the #2 pick, then let N.O. trade Leinhart to the highest bidder. Unless Casserly has some sort of pics of the NO GM with some whores or something, I see this being a Dr. Z pipedream.

 

#1 pick value does not equal #1 prospect on a draft board.

If someone makes a trade with the Texans for the #1 pick and selects Reggie Bush I will most humbly apologize for my poor evaluation.

In fact if that happens I would say Somebody is looking down and smiling on the Texans.

edit- if the Texans pass on Bush he will slide to #5 at least (Mario Williams or Brick will go #2 to New Orleans- Titans and Jets go for QBs)

 

You are right you need the body of work. An Manning's playoff winning record and college record (major bowls, versus SEC) is not impressive. That is a lot of years (12+?) and with lots of pro bowlers and college players who were future pros with him.

For him to be considered as the best ever QB of all time (join discussions of Montana/Elway), he is going to have to have a lot more playoff success. And yes it is partly subjective, but he has not played well in most of his season ending games (I suspect his stats in those terminal games are not great, maybe not even good) and he has been negative in the press about teammates. Of course I can't say with certaintly, but a lot of things suggest he is a greater individual player than he is a team leader. In my subjective opinion of course.

Would I take him over Dilfer, Hostetler, or Roslithberger to win a big game? Of course. But would I take him over Elway, Montana, or Brady to win a big game or make the key plays to save a season, not a chance. (Probably prefer a handfull of others ranging from a Farve in his prime, Aikman, Bradshaw, Staubach, Steve Young, Marino, and maybe a healthy McNabb--can't really speak to your pre 75ish legends)

I agree. The only trade the Texas could do and assure themselves of Bush is at the #2 spot. Since NO doesn't need a QB or RB themselves, I think they will be looking to to take the best non-skilll player (assume Dbrick, M.Williams), or trade down.

 

Aye, matey. You, sir, are a GENIUS and dead on.

 

There won't be a trade because we're picking Bush.

No chance Bush slides to #5. If that were the case we would have traded down. You're seriously underestimating Reggie's value.

 

PIRATES ALWAYS KNOW BEST!!!!!!!!

 

No way. If Bush isn't the #1 pick, NOLA will pick him for sure. Rumor is that the Saints really, really like Bush.

 

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You say QB is the hot position right now but then you say VY isn't worth trading up for? For a team looking for a QB that isn't in the Top 10, moving up to get VY would definitely be a possibility.

Shouldn't Bush be worth trading up for? He's only been hyped as being the BEST prospect the NFL has ever seen. You would think teams would be all over us right now? So why aren't they? And I don't think it has anything to do with QBs being the hot position right now. It's maybe because RBs aren't worth taking that high. RB is a position where you don't have to have a big name to succeed, Kubiak would be the first one to tell you this.

We still have a lot of holes IMO, I still want the Texans to trade the pick if we can get good value. Would Bush be worth the #1 pick? Probably, but trading down and getting one of the big names (M. Williams, D'Brick, Hawk, VY) plus extra picks would be better.