[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Profootballweekly looks different if you read it with Vince-o-vision or not.

 

Oh, ok.. makes sense

 

"The only question you have to ask is do you want to play against him?" Harris said.



That says it all right there.

Now ask this question:

Who would you rather play against and have to defend against, Vince Young or Reggie Bush?


The QB handles the ball every play. The rules of the league are set up to protect the QB much more than any other position on the field. I'm sorry but if you had to worry about defending either one of these guys, you may take Vince and think that you can confuse him with the speed of the game, especially his first year or two. But then again, would you want to take the chance? Or would you rather just defend against the sure thing, and take away the alleys from Bush by jamming defenders in the box until you got 2nd and long or 3rd and long then bring in pass coverage against Carr and Bush or would you rather have to line up, not knowing whether Young is gonna throw it, hand it off to a decent back in Davis who has proven he can find the holes and creases and make 4 yds, or just take off and run like a rabbit on steroids for 40 yards on you?

If Elway can scramble in this league and make HUGE HUGE plays from busted plays.....If Elway can look as confused as popcorn in grease but still have the physical tools to make the play happen, when he was in his first couple of years.....If Marino can look like a football genius while scoring in the teens on the Wonderluck exam.....If Vince can take old stodgy grizzled supposed expert college coaches and turn them on their ear, even going as far as convincing them to change their whole mindset about strategy and style of play and let him "lead". Think about that for a minute. He convinced college coaches making millions of dollars, representing one of the top 4 or 5 college programs in the United States to change the way they did business. Does anybody doubt his ability to lead?

Well, if he can lead, then does anybody doubt his physical tools? Then, what else is there? Playing QB in the NFL is all about leadership and applying the physical tools to get the job done.

Some QBs are poor leaders. Some are mediocre. But the best of the best are all great leaders.

Vince is the best leader to come out of college since Peyton. He's also the best athlete at the QB position to come out of college.....dare I say....ever.

 

So do Rose Bowls.

 

That was good I must admit...

 

free VY

 

"Trinity, now do you believe he's the One?"

 

I pretty much agree with your position except the last one, Peyton? VY is quite the polar opposite of big game el foldo extrodinaire Peyton Manning. Peyton has a very consistently been a great stats guy against lesser comp who is poor in big time situations (versus Florida and major bowls in college, playoffs in the pros). VY can be the opposite, at times against weak comp he did not play up to his capabilities (maybe gets complacent with his talent advantage), but you put him in a big time game and pressure and it brings out the best in him.

It is a very good article. I have noticed former NFL players and coaches all seem to have much more regard for VY potential to be a great NFL player than the "expert scouts". One a bit odd thing is people act like they haven't see a player like him before. He is much more comparable to passer-runner athletes like McNair, McNabb, Culpepper or Cunningham than any of those players or VY is to the runner-passer (also undersized and no passing touch but phenom athletic) Mike Vick. I don't see Young as near the wild card as Mike Vick, and the jury is still out on Vick.

It would stun me if it is the Texans, but the team who drafts VY is going to feel awefully lucky down the road.

 

VY seems to play his best when the game is on the line, something that Peyton has yet to demonstrate. He couldn't win it all at Tennessee, and he's folded in the playoffs for 3 straight years.

 

Yes they do doubt his physical tools. That's why scouts like the guys at Ourlads.com have him as a second round talent. His throwing ability is a physical tool, and that's the biggest question for NFL scouts.

 

Green speaks his mind and he isn't stupid. He's the coach who took randy moss when 19 before him looked liked total idioits, and he took Daunte, who was highly thought of but people had doubts because he played small college football.

 

that's one guy at ourlads, the one who runs the site. he's a frequent guest on 610 and I even heard him this weekend on Sporting News' network. he doesn't like vince, so what, he's not an nfl scout. I'll take Billick's and green's opinion over his.

 

ive lost interest over the years in the NFL but with this draft coming in its starting to spark my interest again.

 

thanks abuttshell, you're still running with the Akili Smith Comparison from about a hundred pages back?

That guy from Ourlad's said he should be a fourth round pick. Lots of cred for that guy.

 

Actually he said he'd either go to Arizona or the Ravens. Probably should a least know what your talking about.

 

And he's been saying that he shouldn't even go that high. This is odd to me, as for the bulk of Vince's college career, Dan Shonka was incarcerated in a Wisconsin state prison after selling stolen greyhounds for medical research. Very odd.

But hey, buttshell, that's what you and Akili Smith have to go on, so you can have it.

 

Come on now. Peyton Manning may go down as the best QB ever. His career isn't over yet guys. The two aren't even comparable because they play two totally different styles. VY will have to be one of the best ever to even touch Manning's accomplishments.

 

They have been saying on ESPn and 790 that there's virtually no chance of Young slipping out of the top 10 anymore. Only a few people are saying that. They said that if he slips past Oakland the Cowboys will do everything in their power to deal up for him. He won't make it past Arizona anyways at 10.

 

No, they have them there because they are a bunch of attention whoring idiots. That is not a legitimate analysis one bit. No body in their right mind has VY anything less than the 3rd QB (some 1st) and top half of the 1st round. Even KAS, no VY proponent, outlines this above.

Also, his arm strength and accuracy for a pro QB are not major concerns at this point. They may not be strengths on the level of the most elite QB prospects to ever come out, but they are definetly not weaknesses. The only major concern is his ability to run a pro offense and/or duration needed to learn one. I don't think it will be a problem, but one could understand someone having concerns about it.

I am not saying VY will be a better pro than Peyton Manning. It was a discussion about leadership in particular. PM seems to alienate his teammates and plays his worst games at the most critical moments (college and pro). VY elevates his game and there is no question his whole team (players and coaches) has his back. Hell, Trent Dilfer is a better leader than Peyton Manning too, not a better player by the wildest imagination, but a better leader.

 

VY did it in college though. I have no idea what he'll do in the pros. I actually hate Peyton Manning but we don't know if he's actually a poor leader. They had no defense at all until this season. Trent Dilfer isn't a better leader then Manning. He didn't make mistakes and let an amazing defense win a SB for him. Ray Lewis was that teams leader