[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

Keep dreaming.

 

he's saying no one is going to trade away a first round pick for David Carr.

 

Thanks for clearing that up.

Because I was confused by the TaxMan, yaaaah-aaaaaahh the TaxMaaaaaan.

 

I call it conceptualizing my own perfect reality.

 

If Culpepper was traded for a #2, then the texans should be able to get a top 3 pick for Dave.

 

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

CUTLER HEADED FOR A FALL?

Over the past few months, we've offered up opinions from various league sources regarding a potential draft-day free fall for quarterbacks Matt Leinart and Vince Young.

We're now hearing that Jay Cutler could be the one who ends up sliding.

Of course, this is the season of misinformation in the NFL. Some teams will hype a guy in the hopes that a franchise selecting in front of them will draft him. Other teams will knock a guy in the hopes that he'll fall to them.

But as to the insights we've recently picked up regarding the assessment of the three quarterbacks projected to be taken in round one of the draft, we're persuaded that the source has no horse in the race -- making his observations far more credible.

The question of when Leinart, Young, and Cutler will be drafted depends in large part on the structure of the teams assessing the picks. "Teams that have a strong G.M. and personnel department draft based on production and value," said the source. "When a coach has more to do with the final say, then they seem to go more on workouts. Scouts spend about eleven months going over the players in their area, finding out about character, work habits, coachability, etc., only to get nudged out by a coach who has worked part time for two months on the same thing and then seems to have all the answers."

But what about the buzz surrounding Cutler?

"I have read over and over the last few months that Leinart and Young have dropped and Cutler has risen in scouts eyes," said the source. "What a joke. What has Cutler ever won? He never had a winning season at Vandy. He lost six games in a row this year. Looked very average at the Senior Bowl and very average at the combine, yet people seem to think he should be drafted in the top ten. Why? Because he has a strong arm?

"Let's see, Leinart and Young have won three national titles between them, have great stats, are very strong leaders, won a ton of games, have solid character and they aren't as good as Cutler who lost six games this year alone and never had a winning season? I thought that a real good quarterback was supposed to make his team better and lead them to wins."

So has Young overcome the hit that he took based on reports of a low Wonderlic score?

"All that sh-t about his test score is bogus," said the source. "He could not have done what he has done at Texas if he was real dumb.

"You mentioned that Young's stock rose after his workout last week. Well, a good scouting dept should have had him near the top of their board all along. All he has done is win. If a team is interested, they will bring him in, get him on board with their offensive staff, and find out how good his aptitude for football is. They will find out that he has a very strong passion for the game and is football smart."

Where, then, should Cutler land? "He doesn't deserve to go in the first round," said the source. "He is not anywhere as good as Patrick Ramsey was four years ago. He went at 31 and has been a bust."

Yikes.

Don't expect this debate to die down. After all, there are plenty of teams with coaches who have a lot of say in the draft process, giving Cutler's workout results greater weight in those cities. And when Leinart, who isn't a big T-shirt-and-shorts guy, has what likely will be received as an average workout on April 2, look for the opinions and projections to continue to conflict and jumble.

 

This paragraph sounds like a complete ripping on the Texans.

 

I've been wondering about this too. What has Cutler really done to deserve it?

 

The hype or the fall?

 

All of it, but mostly the hype.

I wasn't that impressed with him to begin with.

 

Oh, you didn't hear about his arm strength, or the Brett Favre comparisons?

 

He has done his best like everybody else. But now it is his turn to recieve the hype machine backlash. It happened to Young, now it is his turn. That is life in the insane world of the draft.

 

got a good chuckle out of this earlier today.

 

Mmm, haterade.

 

I laugh every time I realize we've won 6 baseball championships, too!

 

Young performed on the biggest stage in college football and succeeded. Because of this, he deserves to get the positive press. His test score was low, which adds doubt to some. This is understandable to me.

Cutler is all hype with not much substance IMO. His personal workouts will tell the tale.

 

Nice little article on Vince. No "anonymous scout" analysis, just two head coaches who know something about pocket and mobile QB's.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...nfl/stories/032906dnspogosselin.121c9607.html

Unique talents are friend, foe for Vince Young

ORLANDO, Fla.– The Big 12 came to fear Vince Young. So did Southern Cal. Now it's the NFL's turn.

Young quarterbacked Texas to a national championship in 2005, beating Southern Cal in the Rose Bowl with his arm and legs, then decided to skip his senior season to enter the 2006 NFL draft.

Since that time Young has become the most scrutinized player on the draft board. He's been criticized for his low Wonderlic test score, his throwing motion and the infrequency he took direct center snaps in college.

More than 100 NFL types attended his workout in Austin last week to watch him run and throw.

"I have a sense that what this league does to a guy who plays that brilliantly is beat up on him pretty good," said Baltimore Ravens coach Brian Billick during a break at the NFL spring meetings. "A guy who's going to go as high [in the draft] as Vince Young will be critiqued and over-critiqued."

Why? Because the NFL doesn't quite know what to make of Young.

"Unique is a word you don't want to throw out there too often," Billick said. "But this guy is truly unique – and that uniqueness is what has most people apprehensive.

"We all want to make comparisons to give ourselves a comfort zone, like the Jake Plummer-Joe Montana analogy. A Matt Leinart is very direct. We've seen him before in this league. He translates very easily, so you have a much stronger conviction about how he'll do.

"But there's trepidation with a guy as unique as Young. It's a little frightening."

Billick is an expert on quarterbacks and what it takes to play the position in the NFL. He called the plays as the offensive coordinator at Minnesota in 1998 when the Vikings set an NFL scoring record and quarterback Randall Cunningham went to the Pro Bowl.

Billick was the head coach of the Ravens in 2002 when Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl as a caretaker quarterback. Billick also has coached Brad Johnson, Elvis Grbac and Kyle Boller. He's coached mobile quarterbacks and pocket passers, big arms and the average arms.

In short, Billick has coached all types of quarterbacks – but he's never seen one quite like Young.

"If you try to pigeon hole him as a Randall Cunningham or a Michael Vick – I don't know if you're going to be able to connect the dots in a way you'd like," Billick said. "As Vick has done, Young could create his own category because of the size, the speed and the athleticism."

Dennis Green was the head coach of that Minnesota team that set the NFL scoring record. He also coached Daunte Culpepper at Minnesota, and now coaches Kurt Warner at Arizona.

So Green also knows a little something about quarterbacks – and he knows there's more to the position than just taking the center snaps.

"The game is about a guy's talent and intangibles," Green said. "I'd say Vince Young probably has the most intangibles we've seen in a long, long time. You're talking about a guy who's changed the game. He played against USC and made them look like they had average athletes on the field. It's because he was such a superior athlete.

"We try to make this game more complicated than it is. Does he throw completions? Can he lead his team? Does he have the instincts for the position? I think he'll be a hell of a pro."

Young passed for 267 yards and rushed for 200 yards and three touchdowns in a 41-38 victory over Southern Cal in the national title game. For the season, Young completed 65.2 percent of his passes for 3,036 yards and 26 touchdowns and rushed for 1,050 yards and 12 more scores, finishing as the Heisman Trophy runner-up.

Jacksonville Jaguars general manager James Harris says forget questions about Young's intelligence, delivery and ability to function in a conventional offense.

"The only question you have to ask is do you want to play against him?" Harris said

 

Great read. It would be nice to see the Texans have some vision and a set of stones big enough to draft Vince. It would be even better if they could come up with the steal of the century and trade down, pick up some extra picks and still get Vince Young.

 

The personal workout went very well.

 

Isn't that the same site you people said has no credibility when the wonderlic stuff was posted