[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

I think you make a very good case. I don't believe that RB will carry the ball 20-25 times. I don't think it is necessary, but can see DD making up for most of the rest for a total rushing of 30-35.

I believe that having a good 1-2 combo at RB can prolong DD's and RB's career.

I also believe that VM could be a better back than DD, but the jury is still out.

Overall though, many have lost faith in Carr. He was to blame for some of it, but not most of it. I believe Carr can be a much better QB. It has been proven that you don't need an Pro Bowl QB to win it all. He does need to play consistent though and understand his role.

 

Doesn't it also speak volumes of Carr's character that he has/had his daddy at every practice.

Honestly, how many of you have needed your daddy nearbye during your professional careers?

 

I think this was a stupid response. Who cares if his dad was there.

 

What I'm really having a hard time grasping is the point that swilkins just posted. Not pick on you, swilkins.

But it gets said, "You don't need a Pro Bowl QB to win it all."

Of course you don't. But it certainly doesn't hurt!!

The Patriots showed, during their first Super Bowl run, that you don't need a great running back either.

The Patriots showed having a Pro Bowl QB can really, really help out!

To me this statement is silly...because it means you pass up talent because some other team found a way to win with a lesser player at that position.

 

it might be that Carr's dad just wants to be there. if my son were playing pro football, i might want to watch a bit too!

 

Silly? The Patriots are a complete team. Their coaching/development is top notch.

If you prefer VY over RB, that's fine. RB is also a rare talent. If you think that VY is more talented than RB, that's fine too.

What is so silly about my response?

 

Do you know what the fans of 2-14 football teams do- over estimate their team.

 

yeah, but one thing is a father coming to watch his son as a spectator. Another is the son using the father as an emotional crutch. At some point you have to cut the cord.

 

i'm saying you could say this about nearly any position. some team has won a super bowl at some point with an average player playing at any position on the field. the patriots won their first super bowl with an average running back behind a great run scheme. the ravens won with a guy who might play better than you and me at QB.

my point is, you don't pass up talent at any position because someone once won a super bowl with a lesser player at that position.

 

i just don't know that he is an emotional crutch.

 

It has always been my opinion and still is that: Carr+Bush+Davis+Johnson+Mathis > VY+Davis+Johnson+Mathis.

I think you have more scoring options. I also would rather an immediate impact than a later impact.

Now if they was to trade the pick for an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick with a team that was between 5-7 and VY was still available, I would be ok with that, seeing that we could pick possibly pick White with our 1st pick in the second round and still add talent to the line and MLB or CB. This is not very realistic though and they extended Carr's contract whcih makes it even more unlikely.

 

i don't have a problem at all with that analysis. i'm not arguing with that, really. well...i am...but not in this conversation, anyway. i'm just addressing the argument that goes, "teams have won without a Pro Bowl QB, so we don't need one." in my view, you don't pass up on a pro bowl QB, assuming you don't already have one, because some teams got by without it.

 

What a ridiculous statement. You have no first hand knowledge of carr's personal relationship with his dad. How in the world would you know if his dad was an "emotional crutch?" Carr is a very devout family man and I think that's respectable. I have no problem that his dad comes to practices and watches him play.

 

I understand your point. We just have different preferences.

I also think that you shouldn't pass up on a pro-bowl RB, when Carr has shown potential to improve.

 

Assuming we don't get a offensive player in return for Carr.

Would ya'll do Carr for Viking's #17, maybe we would throw in a 4th rounder or something. Pick up Santonio Holmes or Chad Jackson.

 

Draft Young...Carr blows

 

me three. Reggie or bust now.

 

If Charlie Casserly can get a #1 for David Carr, then he should go ahead and give his soul to Satan right then and there to complete the transaction.

 

Welcome back

Please explain this, because I must be clueless.

 

1.With the new CBA the salary cap went up enough to eat David Carr's signing bonus in the accelerated 1 year when he is traded. We can't get the high priced FA's to use it all this year anyway.

2. Why else would we have signed Sage Rosenfels? Because when we trade Carr we will need a veteran to back up or go in for Reggie.

Carr's on the block baby! We are taking Vince and loading up with the picks we get for Carr.